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Posted By: witherer Turbo Basics - Engine Planning - 11/18/07 03:43 AM
I'm trying to educate myself on installing a turbo with my 250 in my '68 Camaro. It'll be a street setup, bored 0.030", mild cam, improved exhaust and intake, TKO-500 or T-5 trans, 3.08 gears. Probably will be staying between 1500-3500 RPM. Looking for decent MPG (20+) with as much HP and Torque and fun as I can economically get. I have a few questions.

1. Will a turbo increase or decrease MPG?
2. What kind of cost am I looking at?
3. What improvements in HP and Torque should be anticipated?
4. GUT CHECK,,,,,is this a good idea considering the parameters of my plan discribed above?
Posted By: tlowe #1716 Re: Turbo Basics - Engine Planning - 11/18/07 12:44 PM
your plan is good but alittle off target.

improved intake/exhaust is good and the mild cam also for a turbo setup.

the stick trans, 1500-3500 range and decent mileage are not good.

now to answer some of your questions:
1. a turbo will most likely decrease mileage.
2. cost of around 2000.00 all done with a carb. realistic
3.30-50% increase mainly in torq because of your low rpm level. a 250 will run much better in the 3000-6000 range for power. in this range the hp will come up sharply. and still provide good economy in the 1500-2500 range.
tom
Posted By: Brad Re: Turbo Basics - Engine Planning - 01/18/08 01:25 AM
These are the same questions I'm curious about except I've got a 4100lb truck in the equation. How will this affect me, especially #4?
witherer
2000 - 4800 RPM range is doable.
Pick a cam with about 204 degrees duration @ .050
Wide lobe center,115 .
I agree w/Tom auto trans is much better especially w/a turbo.
4 speed auto w/a lock up torque converter.

Use a smaller exhaust housing for the turbo.

I can see making 300 HP easy /w/a ton of torque of around 380-450 ft lbs. While running on pump gas & 15 lbs of boost.
I always recommend alky injection.
And some sort of knock retard system Like a J&S Safegaurd system.
http://www.jandssafeguard.com/

If you are light on the gas ,,,you could get above 20 MPG,,,, but w/a turbo,,,it will be very hard not to step on it, :-)

Brad,
it is a great idea,but it is not cheap.
You really need to go with fuel injection.

MBHD
Posted By: 56er Re: Turbo Basics - Engine Planning - 01/19/08 04:47 PM
witherer, I would put more cam and more gear personally. 220 at 50 w/ 115 lsa as mentioned, 3.55's with the big overdrive of the t-5. I think you'll like the car better.

And I second the motion for alky injection. If you are going to forgo the intercooler, I would say it's mandatory. My brother has a snow performance one at it works good.

I looked at the knock retard. It looks pretty cool.
I think witherer is looking for low RPM engine range ,,,wants a lot of torque.Plus gas mileage of 20 MPG or better..

220 Degrees duration @ .050 on a 250 CI engine.,would not be a good cam for low RPM range & 20 MPG.

Two cents thrown.

MBHD
Posted By: rob5109 Re: Turbo Basics - Engine Planning - 01/20/08 06:14 PM
Hi everyone- new member and new to L-6's-
I have questions along the same line. My idea is for an odd vehicle- 90 c1500 5spd. 3.73 gears (currently running a holley tbi'd 355 w/ (2) 60 #/hr's.) I have a ton of questions for anyone w/ info- first, can I adapt my tbi, cpu, harness, etc, or at least use bits and pieces on a 292? Just looking to build something different, looking for 300-350hp and similar torque (all my borg warner tranny will handle) for light towing and street use. Mileage is not a concern, but cost is. And I know the stick is a poor choice for the turbo, but I have to row my own!
Posted By: dave brode Re: Turbo Basics - Engine Planning - 01/22/08 11:41 PM
If you have the underhood room, a drawthrough setup from the old 301" transams would be a snap, mounted sideways. Those turbos are good for 300 or maybe 330 horse worth of air. The turbine housing is a .82 A/R T3, and should be good to 4500, maybe 5000 on a 250".

Check out pics of turbo'd slants at slantsix.org. There are pics of that setup on a slant.

Dave
Posted By: Boogiemanz1 Re: Turbo Basics - Engine Planning - 01/23/08 03:06 AM
HI Dave, I'm over here trying to figure out a turbo size for a 292 chevy 6. I found one in a late sixties 3/4 ton chevy truck with a t-400 behind it. I'm trying to buy it now. If I don't get that one I'm going to build a 250. I think I saw that a 301 turbo setup in Leo Santucci's book. I want to do some headwork/valves, a cam, fuel inject it and build the exhaust header for a turbo.

I'm still in the chassis design stage, and the 500 cad is still in the wings.......john
Posted By: OHCFbird Re: Turbo Basics - Engine Planning - 02/21/08 04:22 AM
Boogiemanz1-
For a street 292, a 60-1 with a .69 to .95 turbine housing (or similarly-sized T04B variant) will run real well, with a wide LSA cam (114+), mild lift, headwork, and a GOOD ignition. That combo will make lots of useable torque all day long.

As a side note- Spa turbo makes a cast turbo manifold for the chevy that is affordable.
Posted By: Boogiemanz1 Re: Turbo Basics - Engine Planning - 02/21/08 06:02 AM
Thanks for the info Jeff. Is your 4.2 turbo'd?
I bought a GM familiarization book and vhs tape on the 4200 engine.....I'm getting real interested in that myself........john
Posted By: OHCFbird Re: Turbo Basics - Engine Planning - 02/21/08 07:50 AM
It's 'in process'... I'm in the process of fabbing mny parts.
Posted By: a1953mdl Re: Turbo Basics - Engine Planning - 02/27/08 01:55 AM
Tlowe on this board also has the turbo manifolds. Better price, too.
Posted By: Boogiemanz1 Re: Turbo Basics - Engine Planning - 02/27/08 06:17 AM
I think the 4.2 may prove to be a more cost effective engine to build I saw a wrecked trailblazer on a repo site that went for 1200.00 and ran like new. Nodular crank powdered metal rods, DOHC with variable valve timing.....oughta run with a turbo on it........john
Posted By: Twisted6 Re: Turbo Basics - Engine Planning - 02/27/08 01:04 PM
the word had it that Glen Self had the 4.2 @ 1400 turboed. He also had it in a Nova wagon.
I had a video link but no idea what i did with it.
http://www.1320video.com/dragweek.php

It is on 3/4 the way through the video.

Click on Day 2 link w/pic of Red Nova


MBHD
8.82 @ 155 MPH

MBHD
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