After long months of heavy work schedules we finally got some time to get the motor going. It has a pretty stout thump for a turbo motor. The Q16 fuel has a nice aroma coming out the exhaust.

The goal here was to fire the motor up on the "old" bank to bank ECU. We wanted to make sure there was no leaks and the motor ran smooth. Now we can swap ECU's to the sequential unit which requires harness mods.

In the comming weeks we will install the boost pipes, intercooler, intercooler chiller tank, boost controller. I hope the images turn out right I'm learning the photobucket thing

Well they are too small dang!

Yep too small
;-)

MBHD

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Ahhh, much better!

What size injectors are you using?

3" downpipe?


MBHD

Right now it has the old 60lb injectors in it. We have some Precision turbo 165lb matched injectors on the shelf.

Yes, it is a 3" down pipe that goes into a 4" aluminum pipe that exits the bottom of the fender.

What size turbo do you have? Is the turbo going to change your RPM range, bet it does. Looking good! Thanks for keeping us posted. Tom

Tom, it is a turbonetics 78mm BB. I'm not real sure if it will change the rpm range that much. Our nitrous motor made all the in the 5000-6600 rpm range. We kept the turbo kind of mid size to make it spool easy. It would have be cool to put a 88mm on there. We think you are reaching the outer limits of the durabilty of the comobnation.
We decided to limit our combonation 1000-1100hp because that is where the fuel pump, intercooler and some other componets are rated to. Heck, 8.60-8.80s @ 150mph in a 70yr old truck is fast enough for me

The thing you are going to notice just how much RPM the engine is going to want to RPM to.

It will seem it wants to keep on reving higher & higher.

Your camshaft will want to go to 8500. Not sure if your 4.120" stroke will want to though.

Anyways, you will definately like the turbo engine over your nitrous engine when you get it all dialed in.




MBHD

Yea, this long stroke never really did like to rpm. That's is why we went with a smaller turbo. HP and RPM will go faster but, mild RPM and torque will live longer.

My 2 cents and yes my turbo motor is way milder than yours and will be less powerful by about half and isn't running yet. If there is room you should consider going to a 4" downpipe. Everything I've read and everyone I've talked to says downpipe diameter has a measurable effect on spool. I'm going to use a 3.5" downpipe with my 62-1, which was recommended by the guys at turbotechnology in tacoma. A 78mm turbo is no joke. It wants to breath.

I made a 4" downpipe. Turbo is a 62-1 turbonetics. Connects to my SPA manifold.

You engine bay looks really nice

MBHD

The exhaust after the turbo is critical since a turbo motor needs to gain RPM as an N/A motor until it gets to boost, but mainly the exhaust after the turbo acts as a restriction and increases the back pressure in the exhaust manifold. Any back pressure effects the camshaft valve timming and reversion in the combustion chamber and intake, which makes it very detonation sensitive. The first 18-24" is the most critical after that the exhaust flow changes and can be smaller unless it's a race only then keep it big and dump it quick.

Harry

What size is your downpipe Harry?

Any pics to post?

MBHD

Congratulations. Can't wait to watch it run.

Larry
Texas/Gulf Coast Inliners

If in fact you find that the stroke is a limiter where will you go with it? What a clean build! All that in a small space and the hood still fits? You should sell rides.

MBHD

My down pipe is 4" about 24" long for racing, for street a 4" pipe and a 4" dynomax muffler to the rear end, if I want to carry on a conversation in the car I cap the 4" pipe after the muffler and a 3" pipe exits past the left rear tire. Working on a system that will open the 4" pipe automatically when is goes to boost.

Harry

Thanks for the info. We bought a data logger a year ago and decided to get the proper pressure switches and EGT temps to make a quick learning curve. I'm sure we will make quick changes if needed.

Are you going to get this motor running or just pick on mine

Mighty6,

I did not mean any harm on posting my downpipe if that's what you mean by picking on your engine.

Your 3 " downpipe will work just fine, if you later think the downpipe is holding back power,you can always whip one up in a couple hrs,you guys do great work!!!!!!!!!

I would love to get my damm engine running,I just do not have any time.
Wife works a different shift than mine,kids are too young to be left alone while I work in the garage..

So, most of my life is watching the kids , working ,typing on the comp,living my life vicariously through your guys rides,then going to sleep.
Yes ,my life sucks as far as getting anything going/done on my car & motorcycle projects.

Plus my wifes has depression & that makes it hard on all of the family.

So, Mighty6 ,,,,,,,,,,not meaning any harm.
MBHD

MBHD- I'm not worried about it at all. I'm just haveing a little fun too. Do you have a 68-69 Camaro for that motor.

You mentioned a motorcycle project, what do you have?

My Camaro is a 1969.

I am slowwwwwly putting together a Yamaha 1986 Fazer 700 w/a 1000 cc engine installed.
Went from 75 HP to 130 HP w/the engine swap.
http://images.google.com/images?sourceid...ved=0CBMQsAQwAA

They call the bike a Baby V-Max.

FZR 1000 http://images.google.com/images?sourceid...ved=0CBIQsAQwAA


Other bike is a 1987 YSR 50 cc w/a NX 125 4 stroke stock motor installed.
http://images.google.com/images?sourceid...ved=0CBAQsAQwAA

NX125 http://images.google.com/images?sourceid...ved=0CBIQsAQwAA

I made two position billet shock mounts

Also made ,Carbon fiber fake air scoops





The pieces I made needs a clear coat.

Next I will make a carbon fiber look alike gas tank


MBHD

Looks like you have to many projects. I wanted a Fazer 700 at one time. I have a super clean 2002 Hayabusa with all the basic bolt on mods. I have never taken it to the track because if I did it would end up like that blue truck. It will be never fast enough and I do not need another money pit.

Now back to original topic

I have some new parts that I will post this weekend.

TURBO-6 What steering box are you useing with a straight front axle?

Vega, with cross steering.

Harry

We dont have room for a vega box so we are going try a Unisteer box. We are still useing the 1936 steering box (rebuilt twice). It is starting to get a little loose

A couple of things we are working on right now. The AMS 1000 boost controller will be used with co2 to controll the waste gate. You can ramp boost in and out depending track conditions or wheel spin.
The air/water intercooler chill tank with a bilg pump installed.

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OK, enough w/this jibber jabber,we need video of it running I'm just bored, no pressure.

Hey, those parts look nice.
This is the old school boost controller I have

http://www.theboostdepot.com/index.php?p...emart&Itemid=26

BTW,,,This is from my friends website.


MBHD

There I fixed it for ya!

Those work well on motorcycles. My brother has one on his bike. Can you ramp in boost?

Yes, you can,it has a lot of features.

Here is one installed in a street car from a local shop NRE. 2.30 seconds into video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ad8g9IfWxKI

Adjust for poor track conditions,etc.
The MSBC-1 has the following features: *Six stage programmable boost control. *Useful for street or drag applications. *0-60 psi target boost range for each stage(1 psi increment) *Up to 18 different Ramp settings to control how fast boost is allowed to build.
*Launch stage for drag racing. *Shift input for automatic stage selection for drag racing. *Front panel stage selection by driver. *Actual boost readout during boost control. *2 Analog data recorder outputs-Actual, and target level. *2 solenoid drive outputs-One for an increase boost output and the other for decrease boost output. *Can be used with single or dual port wastegates. *Uses electronic pressure sensor to monitor and control boost. *Will force wastegate to produce preset target boost level even with air density, load, or mechanical variations. *Can be used with manifold pressure only or external pressure source for control.

That doesnt seem to old school to me. It will get the job done no dought. I thought Nelson Racing was in Florida for some reason.

Mighty6 is fresh off the chassis dyno. I made some pretty decent numbers ......

I want to let MBHD sweet a little bit

Do you have video to share? Hope you hit the track soon. Tom

No sweat here LOL.

Glad you got it running!

All I need are details,how much boost & what rpm you stopped @ .

Are you making more power than the Nitrous set-up?

Your combo,is different than mine other than we have the same cylinder head.

I am sure it runs great & I believe this would be the first turbo EFI Kirby Sissel head running.

I can't wait tell I build my ultimate combo!

Ok,, I give,,,what did it make! I need to know! NOW!!

MBHD

717 rwhp @ 6200 rpm 813 rwtq 5000 rpm at 19 psi. The turbine housing a/r is too small .96 and would not let the motor make power past 6200 rpms. We have a 1.15 a/r housing on order that should make 50-100 more hp. An 88mm T6 combo would make more all out power but the responce is unreal with this combo.

It makes 70 more hp, 200 more tq. It is a beast compared to the nitrous motor.

My understanding is that our heads are the same.

Douglas has the first EFI turbo setup.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baj4UmT02RM

Do you run a pressure gauge on the exhaust( before turbo)?

Those are some fantastic #'s!! This combo will be way easier on the engine and on your pocket book over time. Holy snikees that is alot of power. Tom

Thanks! Yes we are running a data logger. 45 psi on the exhaust with 19 psi of boost.

45 PSI, that is alot of backed up exhaust. I see why you are going to the bigger housing. I'd love to see your dyno sheet.

What rpm range is the pull and I noticed from the video, the rpm's rise very fast. How many RPM per second is the dyno set for?

Are you going to be able to hold it down at the track? It will be fun. Tom

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Douglas has the first EFI turbo setup.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baj4UmT02RM [/quote]

I know that Douglas was fisrt ,forgot to say in the U.S.

Those are some good numbers. Congrats!

Yes, for a drag vehicle & your engine size a .96 is too small.

What is the trim on your turbine wheel?

Have you driven it on the street?
What is the stall on your converter?

What are the exact specs on your turbo? Just curious,I know I will not be as big of a turbo,smaller engine.


MBHD

The pull was 4000 to 6500 rpms. I dont know about the rpms per seconds.

We have a boost controller that is programable. We can ramp in the power as needed.

I know that Douglas was fisrt ,forgot to say in the U.S.

Those are some good numbers. Congrats!

Yes, for a drag vehicle & your engine size a .96 is too small.

What is the trim on your turbine wheel?

Have you driven it on the street?
What is the stall on your converter?

What are the exact specs on your turbo? Just curious,I know I will not be as big of a turbo,smaller engine.


MBHD [/quote]

We have the first motor with 7 head studs per cylinder

No we have not driven it on the street.

We have 4 convertors I think this one is a 9" 3800 rpm stall

All I can tell you about the turbo is Turbonetics 78mm BB .96 A/R S-trim.

The turbo was Craig's deptment to take care of. I took care of all the wiring. This much wiring would scare most poeple.

You have the correct "S" trim,or did Tlowe give you advise also?
J.K.

It will be nice to be able to cruise it around on the street w/the lower stall converter.
And contrary to popular belief ,,,you could run that 3800 stall converter on the street & not over heat it.

Yes the 7 studs per cyl is a first for that head,don't think you will lift the head,especially now your turboed.


Got any video of the dyno pulls?

Bet you can't wait to try it @ the track!

Good work BTW.

MBHD

Nice numbers, and it sounds fantastic to!

No,the s-trim must be an inside joke of some sort. After a few quick minutes of research it is a F1 trim.

We will not drive it on the street. To many stupid poeple on the the road texting and stuff.

There is a video to youtube a few post up.

Yea, were ready to make some test passes.

I have not looked lately but Turbonetics used to sell an "S" trim wheel I thought you have that turbine wheel? No inside joke.

Probably An F1-68 wheel?

Sounds great on the dyno!

Are you going to run an 1/8 or 1/4 mile?


MBHD

They do or did offer a S trim. The F1 is the newest wheel used.

For right now we are going to run 1/8 mile till we can sort this thing out. Maybe later on down the road we will make some 1/4 mile passes.

That is AMAZING!!!!!!!!

Why does it sound so good with a turbo? A lot of turbos I've heard don't have the growl like yours does.

And this might be a stupid question but what block and head is that? And what internals work did you do to get it to withstand all that power?!

AMAZING ride man... I'm just speechless...

Mighty6,
I have seen on your website, the extra head bolts added. But thought at that time you went to 6. Where does the 7th bolt come into play? Pics

Thanks. I not sure why it sounds that good. It may be the sound bounceing off the fire wall or the straight cut gears driveing the cam. I'm not sure it could be anything.

The block is just a standard 292 with a ton of mods for durabilty. The head is a Sissell/Kirby that flow really good. A big solid roller for the cam. All the rest is standard race car stuff.

I think the one you are missing the stud under the spark plug.

That's one thing of many that is nice about that cyl head, the deck surface is really thick!


MBHD

I'm kinda intersted to see if anybody else has head gasket issues. Our findings are the deck of the block was the problem not the head.

Mighty6,
what was wrong w/the block surface?

Douglas only has 4 bolts per cylinder.

So Far I think the engine has seen as high as 27 PSI?


MBHD

I would not say that the deck surface is bad. Seven head bolts made it alot more stable. The cylinders go out of round easier without the extra bolts. Well, they did on a nitrous motor Now we have the turbo it may not even be a concern. Only time will tell.