Has there been any progress, in the revisions, to the drag racing rules?
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Charlie
65 Valiant 170 /6 turbo
66 Cuda 170 /6 Nitroused
do u have any specific questions?
.......have fun....
Lee
Charlie,
The proposed new rules will appear in the Mar/Apr 12 Port News which was to have been mailed this week. Briefly, the classes have been expanded somewhat and a new "Super Stock" class added, as well as accomodation for turbo and supercharged engines. In clarification of an unwritten rule, only Inliners members are eligible for class records. Members feedback is welcome.
Jack as of the breakfast charlie is a paid member he handed in his membership (dues) at the breakfast. And I would think he has a membership number by now. And I agree that records should go to those that are members. And these new classes should bring on some new records. Come on guys & gal go for it.
}[oooooo] guess I'll have to see what i can do this Year LOL Ya never know what i'm building this time LOL But hey It's all Fun
Ps we could used another Fla record holder
hehe ??
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NovaMan/Twisted6/Larry
[This message has been edited by Twisted6 (edited 04-19-2003).]
Does one's record still stand if one's membership lapses? That sounds like a bookkeeping nightmare.
I am now a active member, number 4019.
Under the old rules, neither one of my cars could qualify for a record. Hopefully, with the new rules, I could at least have a chance.
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Charlie
65 Valiant 170 /6 turbo
66 Cuda 170 /6 Nitroused
OK here's the story on the Inliner rules: About 20 years ago the club had a lot of racing activity, mostly in California and specifically at Fremont and Half Moon Bay. These guys ran, almost exclusively Chevy 261s and GMCs, some 12 Port Wayne and Howard equipped, with a few late 250/292 engines thrown in. An ad hoc "racing committee" put together a set of rules loosely based on NHRA weight classes from about 1970. These rules are what are shown on our "racing page". The events were mostly flag start nostalgia racing, just for fun and maybe a trophy. With the demise of both drag strips, Inliner drag racing declined and only recently have Inliners been actively been seeking records again. We realized our rules were way obsolete and our new Race Director, Harry Blecha, has volunteered to update them to refelect what is actually being raced in 2003. There were never any provisions for turbos or Nitrous, simply because nobody was running them in 1983. That has been corrected with the revised rules.
We want every Inliner to have a shot at a record, but Harry can't (and shouldn't have to) do it all himself. The updates now published in the newsletter are simply a first shot at updating the rules. If anyone notices any loopholes or omissions, get in touch with Harry (his number is listed on the "Racing" page) and let him know what YOU want to see changed.
Racers being racers, not everyone is going to be happy all of the time, but unless you let us know what needs fixed, we don't know it's broke. One other thing worth mentioning is that the record setting process has always been and will continue to be very much on the "Honor System" (It's still about having fun, right?). We don't have the staff to investigate every record claim
and do much beyond confirming current membership, but with your help we can put together a 2003 "racing committee" to give Harry some help in making sure everyone is heard. Any volunteers?
Sure. Add my name to the list. Email gkoesel@peoplepc.com
Well it looks like I mis-spoke on the rules revisions being in the March newsletter - didn't happen. I will post them here in the next couple of days. Thanks for volunteering Greg, Leo Santucci has also stepped up and any other active Inliner racers are welcome.
Charlie, what is the weight of your cars? With a 1-class bump for the nO2 or turbo, where does that put you with the current rules?
The new issue does have a great article on Slant6 racing by Doug Dutra. We want to insure we have a place for every Inline, but you Slant6s are so quick we may have to handicap the Mopars....
Hey Jack well YOU Know lol go ahead and add me to that list as well.}[oooooo] And let me know what ever details.
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NovaMan/Twisted6/Larry
Pictured above is our renowned race diretor, Harry Blecha of Carmichael, CA.
OK guys the proposed new rules are up
here . The changes are shown in red. More is on the way for dragsters. Note that the weight breaks are unchanged, we just added more classes and provisions for supercharger, turbo & nitrous.
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Jack, my 66 Cuda with Nitrous, is 170 cubes, 3215 lbs on the starting line, and street leagel, except for slicks.
My 65 Valiant with turbo, is 170 cubes, and shoud be about 2400-2500 lbs on the line. Will not be street leagel. I think it will be more like an altered.
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Charlie
65 Valiant 170 /6 turbo
66 Cuda 170 /6 Nitroused
Just looked at the proposed new rules. Either of my cars would be in CC/A. At 175 cid my min weight would be 1680 lbs. That puts my Cuda 0ver 1500 lbs heavy, and my Valiant about 900lbs heavy. Oh well, just go out and have fun.
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Charlie
65 Valiant 170 /6 turbo
66 Cuda 170 /6 Nitroused
..........have fun ....
Lee
(The new issue does have a great article on Slant6 racing by Doug Dutra. We want to insure we have a place for every Inline, but you Slant6s are so quick we may have to handicap the Mopars....)
I thought you were just kidding about handicapping us small cube slants.
But 1500 lbs?
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Charlie
65 Valiant 170 /6 turbo
66 Cuda 170 /6 Nitroused
So what class do I fall into?
My car is a '41 Hudson coupe, with a stroked flathead '54 Hudson engine with 353 cubic inches. I run slicks and racing gas and the interior is gutted. Car is not street legal (yet). I'm using an aftermarket Clifford head, and the car weighs 2650 pounds.... Did I miss anything?
It seems like the rule "weight without the driver" needs to be changed to "with the driver on board". None of the national sanctioning bodies use this rule anymore. I can see a easy example where a inliner that held a record with a decent lump port head and the driver weight is 250lb. A new inliner comes along that weight 150lb with a stout duggan style head that can make 100hp more. Hummmm 100lb and a extra 100hp that record is going to take a beating even when they should be equal. The driver on board should pull the classes a little closer together by not hanicapping a driver by his/her weight.
What do you think guys?
Steven
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The weight is a very good idea and is being talked about at this time. along with other issues so please bare we us on trying to get things worked out for everyone. I'm sure there may still be things we may miss But will be worked out the best we can. If there is something that maybe addressed Please Pass Email along to one of US and We will talk about it. We may not get it all worked out over nite nor make everyone happy But we will do the best that we can. so lets have some fun either way. But as you can see already there has been more classes added.
keep it inline an Rubber side down }[oooooo]
& smokem if ya can lol It's all about fun.
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NovaMan/Twisted6/Larry
I agree, about the car weight being checked with driver.
Of course I would also like to see a provision for heavier street cars with the smaller engines.
Doing a little figuring, on the rules; I don't know of any way to get a slant six engine to go over 250 cubes, and still be able to drive it on the street. So using 250 cubes, and the 9.6 factor for CC/A, which is the only class for turbo, or nitrous cars, the min would be 2400 lbs. That would be difficult to do with a street driver, though not impossible, it is impractical.
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Charlie
65 Valiant 170 /6 turbo
66 Cuda 170 /6 Nitroused
[This message has been edited by Charrlie_S (edited 04-27-2003).]
It would put you in the flat head in the top of class B Or the bottom of class A if rules stay as there are now. With out driver Hope this helps }[oooooo]
This is for Dany Spring
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NovaMan/Twisted6/Larry
[This message has been edited by Twisted6 (edited 04-28-2003).]
Will a Slant Six head always be considered "stock" even though they all came with "12 ports"?
DD
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I would think the slant head ought to be considered stock, as long as your engine uses a factory iron one as a base. Unless you go to the trouble of making your own aluminum head, you Dodge guys always get to start out one step ahead anyways!
With aluminum it would be 2 steps ahead, right?
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David
newbie #4153
Good input from everyone. If we need further class breaks for Mopars, we'll do it. Nobody should be at a disadvantage because of the rules. Remember, too that the main purpose of the rules revisions is to give everyone a shot at an Inliners record - the actual racing at most tracks is done on indexed times anyway.
Probably a silly question, but are these rules strictly for records or will they be used for classes at Inliner races such as Sacramento?
Also, I think the slant sixes need a big handicap. After getting whipped by a 11 second Valiant wagon at Woodburn, 1500lb of additional weight sounds about right
Bruce,
It would be great if we could use our own classes but every track seems to structure nostalgia races differently, with their own classes, so we have to play the game their way. But there's no reason we couldn't arrange some informal Inliner class runoffs, at least during heads-up qualifying. At Denver there was a Flathead/Inline class but I'm not sure how they paired up the competitors. This is a well-established event held by the Denver Flathead club, and the Bandimere Speedway owners were very supportive of the older stuff. Most tracks don't want to bother; there's no money in it for them. I've been forewarned not to expect any special accomodations at Sacramento.
Bruce,
Dave Mueller and his 65 Valiant wagon is hard to beat.
I got lucky when I went up against Dave in Las Vegas and he went red. Good thing I don't have to race against him every week at my local track!
DD
