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#77843 - 11/11/13 12:16 PM Re: Champ Car replica circa 1930s [Re: Drew, II # 4211]
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Street Rodder, January 2014 issue. pg 132
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#77845 - 11/11/13 01:12 PM Re: Champ Car replica circa 1930s [Re: THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER]
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Way cool. I'll be sure to grab a copy soon.
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#78125 - 11/29/13 07:16 PM Re: Champ Car replica circa 1930s [Re: Drew, II # 4211]
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Nice write up!!!!!! 1 OLD NECK
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#78127 - 11/29/13 08:13 PM Re: Champ Car replica circa 1930s [Re: popper6]
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Thanks popper6. Now I guess I'l have to get back working on the car to justify the print space the build article took up. Mr Covell seems like a super nice gent with a genuine interest in the builders he helps out.
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#82639 - 10/18/14 10:06 AM Re: Champ Car replica circa 1930s [Re: THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER]
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This is great. I just went through this again and wonder how it is coming along. The Essex motor is making me think crazy things. Thinking seems to be all I get done. I tried to check out the Ford 6 site but it said I had to register' I'll do that later. What wheels and tires do you plan to run? Exactly what is a Champ Car?
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#82649 - 10/20/14 10:37 AM Re: Champ Car replica circa 1930s [Re: THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER]
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Hello again. Well I did not get much work done on the champ car this summer. It is one of two complete ground-up car projects I am working on - the other being a tube chassised '49 Anglia 6-cylinder hot rod. Both cars are currently stored in a building about a mile from my home. Because of that I have detoured a little bit and I am now thinking of building a small, period-correct-looking trailer to be able to transport them back and forth to my home to get worked on. Building a trailer just big enough to hold these two cars is a side track I'd rather not be on but down the road it could actually save me time, not to mention the fact that I will need it to transport the champ car around behind my '46 pickup truck. I had originally thought of licensing the champ car to drive on the highway but the more I thought about it it did not seem practical, as I would still need a trailer to attend vintage races in it.

To answer your question about 'what is a champ car" the answer is a little burry. In the '20s and '30s closed course racing split into two basic categories - midget race cars and full sized cars. Midget cars were powered by smaller car engines (V8 60s, Crosleys, etc., and motorcycle and outboard engines) and the larger cars used full sized car engines (and sometimes aircraft engines). Gradually race-specific engines were developed like the Millers and Offys for use in the big cars and sanctioning bodies evolved to sponsor big championship races and series. Those became known as "big cars" or "champ cars". Sprint cars were a subset of those big cars, usually designed for shorter, fairground sized venues with shorter wheelbases but bigger than midget cars. That is an oversimplified explanation as evolution has produced many permutations of the two groups of open wheel racers - quarter midgets, three quarter midgets, full midgets, winged sprints, non-winged sprints, 360 sprints, 410 sprints, Indy cars, Formula cars, etc.

I plan to use Coker dirt track tires of the era with wire wheels. The wire wheels will be one of the most expensive parts on the car. I've heard Dayton wires - like the kind used by many of the Indy 500 teams - can still be bought new but cost about $8000 for a set of four. I'll seek cheaper alternatives, like Coker. They make some that have a 5 x 5 1/2 bolt pattern.

Your Essex motor would be right at home in a '30s era champ car. A body could be made easily with few compound curves using an old implement grill and some cut up fender sections for the tail. Some guys use two hoods from a '40 Ford clam shelled together.

Be patient with me - I think faster than I work.
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#82672 - 10/21/14 06:05 PM Re: Champ Car replica circa 1930s [Re: THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER]
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TFF, thinking of racing evolution, but not auto, I recently attended the fall meet of the Delaware Valley Outboard Racing Association on Laurel Lake in Millville,NJ. What a difference from years ago when I last saw them. These little SIDEWINDER 15 and 20 cu in screamers put out amazing power with many variations of tuned exhaust. The upper power class could blow your eardrums out. Big rooster tails. Finding a way to put one in a 3/4 midget might be fun even after all the hacking. LOL.

http://www.racingoutboards.com/Products/Sidewinder.aspx
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#82675 - 10/22/14 10:09 AM Re: Champ Car replica circa 1930s [Re: THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER]
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Nice outboard website.

In looking back I guess I dd get a little done this summer. The engine is on a test stand. I have a new short block in which I installed straight-cut cam gears in it which should make it whine like it was supercharged, but the straight cut gears have an adjustable timing hub and somehow I got them retarded by about a tooth (no timing marks on the gears) so it has to come apart to correct. On other business I put together a 2.75 and a 3.0 rear gearsets. My thinking here is that with a relatively mild motor (less than 300 HP)and a C4 trans with an auxilliary cooler I will be able to run in high on long tracks like at Indy and use 2nd (1.46:1 ratio, I think) on 1/4 mile and 5/8 mile tracks with an effective final gear ratio around 4.5:1 and not have to zing the motor too hard.
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#82687 - 10/22/14 09:36 PM Re: Champ Car replica circa 1930s [Re: THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER]
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Thanks for the explanation. At what point did the mechanic quit riding in the Indy cars? Whatever I do with the Essex I want it to be a two seater. I have a set of 19" Chevy wire wheels. I'll have to see how they look.
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#82702 - 10/23/14 08:44 PM Re: Champ Car replica circa 1930s [Re: THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER]
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BoP,
I got this out of wikipedia:

Starting in 1912, riding mechanics were made mandatory for all races of 100 miles or longer (which included Indianapolis).[3] In 1923 riding mechanics were made optional, and only one team utilized them.[3] They were brought back from 1930 to 1937 and made mandatory once again. From 1938 on, they were again deemed optional, but no teams in the starting field used one ever again. In the years immediately following WWII, nearly all two-man cars had been parked, or converted to single-seaters. Riding mechanics were formally written out of the rule book in 1964.[3]

I was surprised to see they were not written out until the '60s.


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#82719 - 10/24/14 10:00 AM Re: Champ Car replica circa 1930s [Re: THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER]
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Thanks for that. Wow, I am surprised too. That leaves me a lot of room for a fun build with the Essex.
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#88003 - 12/06/15 08:34 PM Re: Champ Car replica circa 1930s [Re: THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER]
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I built this head rest per Ron Covell's instructions.


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Next I will marry it to the rear body section.

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I also built a trailer for the car to haul behind my '46 pickup.



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#88007 - 12/07/15 09:06 AM Re: Champ Car replica circa 1930s [Re: THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER]
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Nice work, the trailer will add a vintage look to the whole package.
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#88023 - 12/08/15 10:38 AM Re: Champ Car replica circa 1930s [Re: THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER]
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Very nice, nice metal work. I was watching a couple Covell's metal working videos recently. Always interesting even if I don't do the excellent metal work such as you do.
Regarding riding mechanics: In those times they were part of the "pit crew" maintaining the race car as it raced, running back to the pits for full gas cans if the race car ran empty and spotting competitors for the driver.
A very busy and important man risking life and limb. Obviously with the advent of modern design in car and engine with weight saving a primary target, the riding mechanic was no longer needed or justified. But, I too am curious as to why it took so long to rule him out.

All are welcome to visit this web site and visit the museum next season.
www.emmr.org


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#88025 - 12/08/15 12:16 PM Re: Champ Car replica circa 1930s [Re: THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER]
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In the early 60s my uncle ran a bar and restaurant he rented a bunch of old Indy 500 movies and I borrowed a 16mm projector from my high school. We started early in the morning and showed the movie highlights from every race from 1912 on. Guys came and went but I was there the whole time. There were several midget and sprint car drivers there. It was the day before Memorial Day. I remember in one early race the mechanic fell out and got up and ran back to the car dodging other racers. Think of 1912 cars even racing for 500 miles let alone averaging around 60mph. Those guys were tough.
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#88031 - 12/08/15 02:26 PM Re: Champ Car replica circa 1930s [Re: Beater of the Pack]
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Originally Posted By: Beater of the Pack
In the early 60s my uncle ran a bar and restaurant he rented a bunch of old Indy 500 movies ... Those guys were tough.


I heard one story:

In a two man car the rear tire started to come apart, sending a snake-like tread flailing around and hitting the driver in the bicep every time it rotated, causing him excruciating pain. Then the flailing stopped just before the driver couldn't take it any more. The riding mechanic had stuck his arm around the driver and put out his forearm to deflect the blows with his own arm.
My definition of "tough".
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#88039 - 12/08/15 08:08 PM Re: Champ Car replica circa 1930s [Re: THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER]
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Here's a video of some bad crashes. Some have mechanics. It shows how much mere protected the racers and fans are now. LINK
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#90980 - 11/30/16 12:55 PM Re: Champ Car replica circa 1930s [Re: THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER]
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In these old replicas there are a lot of little "visual delights" that can make a car interesting to see. I thought I would make one of those little visually appealing details today. A heat shield for the exhaust pipe. First I cut a blank of sheet stainless, laid out some cooling holes and rolled a curve in it. Then I made a small belling tool for my DiAcro press so I could put a bell mouth on the holes. This is needed to prevent the shield from becoming a cheese grater on my body parts should I come into contact with it during an upset. I just need to make some stand-off nuts to weld it in place when the time comes.





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#90985 - 12/01/16 02:17 PM Re: Champ Car replica circa 1930s [Re: Beater of the Pack]
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Here's a video of some bad crashes. Some have mechanics. It shows how much mere protected the racers and fans are now. LINK


I couldn't watch that through to the end. Too close to home.
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#91956 - 05/29/17 03:42 PM Re: Champ Car replica circa 1930s [Re: THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER]
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I did some more shaping on the tail section. Its almost ready to baptize in bondo. Attaching the mounting flanges comes next.



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#92134 - 06/30/17 07:06 AM Re: Champ Car replica circa 1930s [Re: THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER]
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#92137 - 06/30/17 10:15 AM Re: Champ Car replica circa 1930s [Re: THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER]
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When we get our new site it will have a hosting feature like the HAMB. laugh
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I have this Crane flat tappet cam to trade for a hydraulic one for a Ford 300:

Adv Dur: 274 I / 284 X
Dur @ .050: 231 I / 241 X
Gross lift: .483" I / .486" X
LSA: 110 w/ 3 deg advance built in
Lash: .028" I / .032" X

I need a hydraulic because I'm using non-adjustable rocker arms.
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