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#35865 05/26/02 12:59 PM
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heys guys i have a 230 that i would like to make some serious hp at lower rpms. right now i have the motor completely torn down and all over the floor. everything looks great now what?

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#35866 05/31/02 03:20 AM
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Hey Mike,

There are a number of things you can do to these engines to give them more power. Some of these things pertain more to lower end torque and some do not, but I'll pass on some of what I know.

Aftermarket camshafts can be purchased from a variety of sources, including Iskendarian, and some of the suppliers on www.p15-d24.com. If you've never looked at that site, you should, as there is a lot of good info to be gained. One of the advertisers there is Edgy Cams and he offers regrinds, and he may be able to grind something specifically for better low-end torque. There are other vendors there who offer cams, too, but I don't think they grind their own, so you may have to buy what they have, if you go with them. Vintage Power Wagons offers a cam and spring kit for about $300, but it is intended to help more with the high-rpm torque, to help the old Power Wagons get going a bit faster down the road.

Edgy Cams also offers a higher compression aluminum head that is supposed to be very nice, but it is also very expensive (I think about $600). You can, of course machine down your stock head to get more compression. I've read that the most you typically want to go for reliability is about 8:1. Years ago, I machined 0.080" off what I believe was a stock head for the 230, and that raised compression from 6.7:1 to 8:1. The engine was bored 0.040" over at the time. I'm currently doing a rebuild of my 230 engine, and my machinist took off a few more thousandths from the head and bored the cylinders to 0.060" over. Now the compression ratio is 8.25:1. Hopefully this is not too much for long head gasket life. I checked the compression by "cc'ing" the head.

Also, you can purchase dual carb intake manifolds for the 230. These manifolds will accommodate two one-barrel carbs. Hot Rod Vintage Parts seems to have the best price for these. Occasionally, you can find headers for these engines, but they are rare. Hot Rod Vintage Parts is supposedly working on some headers for the 230, and they are supposed to ready by this summer. You can even port and polish the intake and exhaust passages. Manifolds, headers, polishing and porting probably get you more power at the top end than at the bottom end.

You can also install electronic ignition, which is supposed to give you a stronger spark for a bit more power. This would probably help at all rpm's. Electronic ignition kits can be adapted to fit the stock distributor. The kits can be bought from Crane Cams and from Pertronix, and maybe others.

A trick I've heard about for improved low-end torque is to advance your cam timing a bit. I'm not sure how this is accomlished, or how much to advance it, but I'm sure some of the other folks on this forum or the suppliers can help you there.

One recommendation I will make: I've been told many times that you should have your engine thoroughly balanced if you ever intend to run at higher rpm's for long periods of time (more than about 2700-2800 rpm), or very high rpm's even for shorter periods (4000 and above).

That's about all I can think of, but then again my knowledge is limited.

Hope this helped.


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hey thanks for the reply, i think that i am going to bore it out 60 over and shave the head around a 1/16 and start form there. the cam that i have will give me 1/8 clearance right now so i'll go about half just for playing room. is there any performance pistons that i could run? what should i do to the bottom end? i am not going to run more that 2500 rpms. so hopefully this info will help.
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mike

#35868 06/02/02 06:09 PM
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Hey Mike,

It seems that I've heard that there are forged pistons available for the 230 cid flathead 6. If you look at the posting below yours, someone mentions something about Sealed Power forged pistons. Also I think I've heard about Silvolite forged pistons. Have a look at all the postings below and there is some good info there. Also, if you select to view a year's worth of postings in the Mopar forum, you will see that there was a thread of about 55 or 60 posts from last fall, in response to one question. There is some really good info there.

As for what to do to your bottom end, well, if you don't plan to run your engine at more than 2500 rpm, then you probably don't need to do anything. A balance job wouldn't hurt, if you've got the money. Beyond that, I think the stock configuration is fine, unless your going to try to pour massive amounts of torque through your engine. I'm not sure you can get that much torque out of it, though, without putting on a blower or something, and then your head would probably pop off, although I've heard of people doing that sort of thing to flathead engines.

If you really want to go trick and get more low-rpm torque, you could have your crankshaft rod journals welded up and machined offset to increase the stroke. The longer the stroke the lower the rpm at which the torque peaks out. And with a bigger stroke, you'd have a few more cubic inches, so your overall torque would increase. But then you'd have to use shorter connecting rods. Anyway, it would be a relatively small gain for so much work and expense.

There are oiling system mods that people make to the bottom end to improve oil flow to the bearings, but these are usually done for high-rpm operation (racing, tractor pulls, etc., at 5000 - 6000 rpm). If you look at the other posts I mentioned above, you'll see that a guy named Hudson does this stuff with his 230. It's pretty interesting.

Well, good luck,

Matt

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By the way, ask around to some other people about your modifications. I'm telling you what I know based upon what I've read from other people's experiences and from my own limited experience with my 230-powered Dodge Power Wagon. I know just enough to be dangerous.

Matt


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