Inliners International Forums General Discussion Bench racing Increase in ethanol

Ya a guy could convert---but the whole object of owning an old car is to have an "old car". I like my three single barrel carbs and will use them till they make me switch. Yes it is a bigger issue but they are crushing cars in the yards now for the cost of scrap is way up. The east and west coast are getting rid of the old car yards and the rest of the country is losing yards right and left.Soon there won`t be any left. I do think our old cars are polluters to them and they have no time for the old car hobby. We are a small percentage of the cars on the road , so it`s no big deal. Oh well!!

Cars don't kill people,people kill old cars. A bright note,my son was home for Christmas. He's majoring in enviromental studies at UNR. He has had several professors who don,t go along with Al Gores view of global warming. It's evident that there is change but not from the causes Gore and company site. Remember, there was an ice age before there were cars. It's a start. I agree it's not us they are after, we're just there. It's total control of fuel, food, land and water. Other than that we are free to do as we wish if we pay our taxes!

By the way Will Rogers never met Al Gore.

I just want to know why the politicians aren't screaming global warming when the cold fronts hit the NE and Midwest US where they are campaigningBut let the temps hit the 50's and look out.

We need more people like Will---so much common sense, which is lacking today---90 days for us in cold country till the drag strip opens---aahhh the smell of burning rubber in the morning!!!

Most Scientist's look at "the algore" like the U.S. Army does at Gomer Pyle.

He's part owner of a big Corporation that stands to make billions from "golbal warming" theorys (if believed) and the Politicians just "follow the money" to get their share like always.

It's going to be fun to see the Dept of Energy and the EPA "shoot it out", that's for sure.

Happy trails.

I think that we are deviating a little bit with the global warming stuff again.

I have heard that new gas station fuel pumps will allow you to pick whatever percentage of ethanol you want. I have no problem converting to >10% ethanol; it just doesn't pay at the moment.

J;

It's all misdirection again!!

What's needed is 'bio-diesel' in the the "farm belt" to supplement interstate transportation needs. The trains/trucks that use that fuel and in that area, the center of our Country.

It's 'right in line' with the planned 'N-S corridor' too.

There "surpessing" this concept, hoping it will go away and be over looked. Just like the "SMOG lie" was/did.

Happy trails.

Yes John, there must be more than one answer to these problems. In the thirities all our power was giong to come from hydro-electric plants. Well, there aren't that many rivers not to mention the problems that caused. And yes we need more Will Rogers types though polititions have never had common sense and those with common sense by nature stay away from politics. We must find ways to use what is viable in local areas and not expect one sorce to do everything. It is crazy here in Nevada with 300 days of sunshine each year that we have power plants that run on fuel oil. I'll burn what ever wont kill my Jimmy.

That's correct.

My big gripe is the wasted fuel/imported oil and the price were all paying, to go nowwhere. It's just "beyond stupid". :rolleyes:

EVERY solutition is somehow surpressed or financially forced away. This is NOT the 'American way' to remain stagnant/further dependant on things we've already found a remedy for/solved (10 years ago)...

To tell the same lie; over & over!!

As stated in the film; "It's going backwards into the furure".

Happy trails, if you got the gas.

:) try 3 1bbl tbi.... couldn't resist the all for fun poke...

EFI, you are closer to the truth---it may come to some tbi set up in the future in order to keep driving it---I am to "old skool" to want to do it---only if I have no choice---bad poopie!!!

Has any one watched the price of soy beans dble since last year? $6 to $12 a bushel (round Numbers)

It only makes sense. Corn has gone up some too.

The price of oil has doubled, maybe we can get used bicycles from China and resell them for a profit.

btw don't plan on doing any bodywork after 2010 that requires paint you won't be able to buy it, unless you have a certification and a filtered spray booth.

Larry

Unless you start using the 'new' water based paint. Saw it listed in a paint article in one of my subscriptions (Car Craft I think). Cause water doesn't count as a VOC.

I'm lovin' this. We can run our cars on split pea soup and color them with tempra paint and crayons while third world countries can pollute all they want in order to catch up to us to make it all fair.

There was someone in the news recently who could could make water "burn". Something to do with the hydrogen and oxygen molecules I think. I now wished I'd saved the article.

If we weren't muzzled here I'd say something...

strummin was that "firewater"? efi-dyi muzzled? I just say stuff and if they tell me to go away I'll go bother someone else. Everyone want's to live in a nice clean world and we should treat others fairly but this over the top enviromental BS and giving what has made our countries great away so we can pay more for less makes me crazy!(er) Your manifold design looks cool. I'm still reading and gathering parts.

Here it is. http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07252/815920-85.stm
Obviously there is a lot of research to be done before it reaches us but it's a start.

If this thing will generate enough power to run the equipment and burn a flame, then we'll have some real promise. Of course, someone will start campaigns against the excess hydrogen oxide in the atmoshere and someone will buy into it.

lol well water does burn lol If you get it hot enough stick you hand in it and See how bad it burns Just kidding guys LOL Maybe time to go back to the steam engine?? Heck lets Just go back to horse back riding & covered wagons lol.That would take a nice bite out of the fuel companys.??
Just my smartA** 2cents.LOL

L;

That's exactly what "the algore" & his follower's want; "going backwards into the future". AKA 'misdirection'.

Also why the electric car has been surpressed. It's better 'all the way around' to convert electricity into rotary motion than 'heat energy'. Like the Railroads do it. :rolleyes:

As long as their 'movement' can keep things confused, the politicians/government wins and the motoring public loses.

Weve watched it develop here in California for 40 years.

Nuts!!

As the polar ice caps melt we can burn the excess and save the world! Also it won't matter how many oil spills we have because we're going to burn it anyway. I wonder if J.C. Whitney sells a radio that gets that frequency, we could drive down the road burning a big tank of salt water and listen to our favorite tunes! Man we were afraid the alcohol was going to eat up our cars this will be real salt flat racing,inside and out. I guess in wet years now we'll see posters of Smoky Bear warning us not to set Bonneville on fire." You are entering a wet salty area.Turn your radio off!" Or am I missing something? Really it wont matter Exon will buy the oeans.

Nope, That's about it!!

Well,of course water will burn. It's made of Hyrodgen and Oxygen. If you apply energy to it, that's what you get and if you put a match to those two...Poof, free energy (at least if you don't count how you got the gas from the water)

Dear Leif;

Correct and exactly what the "hydrogen super highway" is here in California. An 'end run' around the EV-1 and solving our energy problems.

There's NO need for any of this 'nonsense' and most in the Auto Industry, have known for it decades.

I guess we get; what were willing to "stand-still" for.

Happy trails.

Any one who has lived through jumping a hot battery has some first hand knowledge about making bombs out of water and electricty,like my friend 'One Eyed Jack'.
'We have the best government that money can buy." Mark Twain.

That's it!!

The BIG problems we have (Energy-'war on drugs'-Immigration) are easly solved with (legal) "simple simon" solutions, discarded in the 60s.

Today/right now; none of this would be here if we just had the time/money to pursue it 'back then'.

I "saw it comming" too and warned everyone (talk shows-Newspaper 'letters to editor') & they thought I was 'nuts'. Many still do and I was so busy 'earning a living' to continue.

You see; These "problems" are NOT considered problems, to those that reap a hugh profit from the grief & misery that's caused. They say; "give us the money to solve it & we will", blameing the victims and the 'beat goes on'.

Happy trails.

John, we're all nuts, look at the engines we love! The immigration thing will not go away until it is exposed for what it is the 'New Slavery'. Not the kind where slaves are housed, clothed ,fed.,and cared for after they can no longer work for free. But the wage slave kind where you're under paid,over worked,and unable to report abuses,for fear of being sent back where you belong. Any one Who hires an illegal should be deported! Gorge Carlin has a Great solution. Too political. Im sorry. Maybe we need ,along with an eBay forum, a political forum because we are caught in this and sticking our heads in a tank of alcohol or salt water is not going to make it go away. At least the head stickers wouldn't have to read this cr--!

Yeah, what George Carlin says! On the 'immigration' issue anyway.

As far as bringing back the steam engine, it hasn't gone away. I have a friend in the power generation field that was telling me that there are some of the power plants that run gas turbines using a heat exchanger to recover energy from the exhaust to drive a steam turbine. The biggest problem was load management. When you need the steam the most (sudden spike in demand) it's not there in meaningful quantities.

Your both 100% correct and we had a good one here too. Some 'left over' from the Carter Admin. raised a fuss, Lorin quit and now Tim's 'in the middle'.

He'd rather be spending his efforts on Bonneville and a "victim" here too.

Solar's the way to power most everything in the home and It's free. You just need to learn how to "manage power" is all.

The 'electric car' is only gone for a little longer because people are 'fed up' with high priced transport costs.

A friend did a paper recently on fuel/politics. His conclusion was; "all is well till gas goes over a dollar".

I agree; The Gene is out of the bottle.

I just read this:
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_...re+page-11.html

What's new?? Oil is over $100 a barrel, you think it's going to stop there. I still want to find a source for used bicycles in China, with the number cars they are driving bikes must be cheap. I'll sell them here to folks that can't afford to drive cars. OK now for the conspiracy theories. The reality is the demand for gas is greater and the world is getting warmer, just ask the Polar bears.

Larry

There is nothing new.
All it means is that it will cost us a lot more to use E85 than regular gas.
So all of the farm land used for growing corn for fuel is just a big waste of space.

You guys who were talking about using Hydrogen and Oxygen as a fuel are barking up a leafless tree. On the surface of it, an engine running on an H2 and O2 mix is a great idea, but like a lot of great ideas, it has a few slight bugs in it. Namely, when you burn H2 and O2,the only combustion byproduct is H2O, or water vapor, which is great for the environment, but what you DON'T get is very much heat energy. In plain english, it doesn't make much power. It also detonates easily. Plus you have to store both the H2 and O2 in gaseous form, and there are problems with doing that. H2 is the smallest molecule of all the elements, and it has a naughty habit of escaping from whatever container it is kept in. (Does the name Hindenberg ring any bells out there?)(Lakehurst, New Jersey, maybe?) And do any of you remember the old high school chemistry experiment where you heated steel wool and then stuck it into a vessel of pure Oxygen and watched it burst into flame? Now let's think about an automobile with tanks of compressed H2 and O2 on board and it gets into an accident and manages to rupture the O2 tank. Wow, what an amazing fireball that was........completely melted the entire car! No, oxygen doesn't burn, but it does accelarate combustion, and it does it in a grand manner. I wish it was practical to run a car on H2/O2, but unfortunately it isn't.

And you guys who are talking about the aims of various politicians are pretty much right on the money. They don't give a **** about much of anything except increasing the control the government has over you as a citizen. I've spent a number if years in the firearms business at the retail and wholesale level as well as being both a civilian and military firearms instructor for over 20 years, and if you think they're after your old cars, try being a GUN owner and see what happens! I'm beginning to think that all the car enthusiast groups in the country should think about doing a merger with the NRA, because them polecats in the government don't like either of us kind of folks. And the reason that they don't like us is that we don't, for the most part, go along with their b.s. and are fairly independent thinkers, and they just HATE that. They know we don't need them or have any respect for most of their opinions, and they just can't stand that!

The Polar bears won't answer me no matter how nice I ask. I'll just ask Al, he'll give me the straight poop! We should grow more rice and bribe the Chinese to ride their bikes!

Did they mention cost in that article?

Farmers arn't complaining.

Larry

By the way, just a little tidbit of information I saw on the internet the other day.........Algore the Environmental has a 20 room house that is gas heated and has an average natural gas bill of $2400.00 every MONTH. When's the last time your gas bill was that much, hmmmmm? And you can check that out in Snopes, it's there. So much for Mr. Environmental; do as I say,not as I do.