|
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 3,669 Likes: 42
1000 Post Club
|
1000 Post Club
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 3,669 Likes: 42 |
I just bought a set of Plymouth Flattie 230 Valve covers from him a couple weeks ago and had no troubles.
I was thinking about making a few of these myself. I've got a small (under 10 lbs.) home foundry. Make sure you put up some pics if you do!
Class III CNC Machinist/Programmer
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 5,017 Likes: 47
1000 Post Club
|
1000 Post Club
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 5,017 Likes: 47 |
On the Sissel link, what timing cover is that on the red engine? http://www.sissellsautomotive.com/
"I wonder if God created man because he was disappointed in the monkey?" Mark Twain
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 5,839 Likes: 1
1000 Post Club
|
1000 Post Club
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 5,839 Likes: 1 |
Do you have a direct link or state what to click on to get to the red engine.
MBHD
12 port SDS EFI
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 5,017 Likes: 47
1000 Post Club
|
1000 Post Club
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 5,017 Likes: 47 |
"I wonder if God created man because he was disappointed in the monkey?" Mark Twain
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 3,669 Likes: 42
1000 Post Club
|
1000 Post Club
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 3,669 Likes: 42 |
Make sure you post some pics if you decide to cast your own!
Class III CNC Machinist/Programmer
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 95
Active BB Member
|
Active BB Member
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 95 |
I'll probably melt the wasted pistons from my old flattie to make them. I'm gonna be puttering around the garage tomorrow and see what it will take......Yes, I promise pictures.
Faster, faster, faster, till the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death........
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 1,464
1000 Post Club
|
1000 Post Club
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 1,464 |
Couldn't the Inliners club take on buying up the 12 port stuff? I think with several hundred guys (and gals), we could come up with the cash needed to buy the patterns and cast up a supply of them. I would think there's enough of us wanting high performance parts for our inline engines we could accomplish it at a lesser cost than the commercial ventures that have lately attempted to do it. I'd like to hear how many would be able (or want) to pool our resources to do this. What about the Inliners members who would want to do a crossflow head for the Ford 300? Or Mopar or others? Should Inliners take that on too? Methinks that when it comes time to actually put up the cash involved that "several hundred" would shrink to "a few".
Last edited by THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER; 10/27/08 02:25 PM.
FORD 300 inline six - THE BEST KEPT SECRET IN DRAG RACING!
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 5,017 Likes: 47
1000 Post Club
|
1000 Post Club
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 5,017 Likes: 47 |
Methinks what hethinks. Besides someone would have to be in charge and actually do something.
"I wonder if God created man because he was disappointed in the monkey?" Mark Twain
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 4,586 Likes: 20
1000 Post Club
|
1000 Post Club
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 4,586 Likes: 20 |
I think we have more non PAYING tire kicking members on this board Then there is Paying members who want this type of head. On this Board.
Larry/Twisted6 [oooooo] Adding CFM adds boost God doesn't like ugly.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 3,556 Likes: 35
1000 Post Club
|
1000 Post Club
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 3,556 Likes: 35 |
larry, you do make a good point. tom
Inliner Member 1716 65 Chevelle Wagon and 41 Hudson Pickup Information and parts www.12bolt.com
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 1,411
1000 Post Club
|
1000 Post Club
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 1,411 |
I think we have more non PAYING tire kicking members on this board Then there is Paying members who want this type of head. On this Board. Amen to that, but not just here.
My, what a steep learning curve. Erik II#5155
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 420
Contributor
|
Contributor
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 420 |
Jerry Davis II#4711
ol Smokey said "one test is worth a thousand expert opinions."
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 4,586 Likes: 20
1000 Post Club
|
1000 Post Club
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 4,586 Likes: 20 |
Once Again Off the topic BUT at the sametime on topic.HOW long do non paying CLUB members Keep over stepping Their aloted Posting. I THOUGHT (key word) they were only aloud So many postings.
Larry/Twisted6 [oooooo] Adding CFM adds boost God doesn't like ugly.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 5,017 Likes: 47
1000 Post Club
|
1000 Post Club
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 5,017 Likes: 47 |
"I wonder if God created man because he was disappointed in the monkey?" Mark Twain
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 164
Contributor
|
OP
Contributor
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 164 |
The whole conversation thread is a Chicken and the Egg reality. There are still many inline engines out there. They will all eventually go to the scrapyard unless they can be made popular choices to put in cars.
The only way they can overcome that is to have a host of cool parts available to them as not too many people (at least here) wants a plane jane stock engine, when you can buy parts for more popular V8s. So thanks currently to all of these little companies that believe in these engines and keep up the production. I am sorry i called you "Cottage Companies".
Maybe just maybe some big player will take note and realize how many of the Late Chevy or Ford Inliners there are out there and the potential to modify them.
If not so be it. We will find a way to survive!!!
James Kuenzi Mid Missouri 64 Dodge Dart GT Convertible 225 /6 w 5speed
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 289
Contributor
|
Contributor
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 289 |
I think I said this on an earlier thread concerning the 12 port head for the later inline; if I were truely interested I would contact Joe Fontana in Gardena Ca. His 8 port midget head was a dirivitive of the Dugan and is 2/3's of one since it was done for the 153 4 cylinder. It's for sure that he has done more port design work on this head than anyone. He recently cast up a dozen or more of the Skinner 12 ports for the 302 GMC along with injectors and covers and he also casts up the Ford small blocks. He is in this business and if he gets some committments I'm sure he would build some late models. He does have a website at http://www.fontana-automotive.com With all the work he has done with the 4, I could only imagine what you guys could do with a 6........Good Luck..JD
216.158 MPH 12-Port 302 GMC on 70% 171.0 MPH 302 stock head on gasoline 7 years later
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 164
Contributor
|
OP
Contributor
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 164 |
Contacted Joe at Fontana and seems like a nice guy. he said he only does build up for the GMC 302. He has a set up that makes one into a 380 hp street racer!
Nice, but showed no interest in late Chevy Sixes. Oh well.
Last edited by Freds Garage; 11/04/08 01:49 PM. Reason: spelling
James Kuenzi Mid Missouri 64 Dodge Dart GT Convertible 225 /6 w 5speed
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 289
Contributor
|
Contributor
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 289 |
Thanks I'm glad someone contacted him with some interest. I have worked witgh him before and had no idea whether he would be receptive to the late 6's.
216.158 MPH 12-Port 302 GMC on 70% 171.0 MPH 302 stock head on gasoline 7 years later
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 1,411
1000 Post Club
|
1000 Post Club
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 1,411 |
So what's the price range to get one running (ie all the pieces, not just a bare head)? $5K, maybe $7K? Not cheap, but 380hp out of a 'street' Jimmy (if it's street, I expect it to run on pump swill). Or did you ask?
My, what a steep learning curve. Erik II#5155
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 1,905
1000 Post Club
|
1000 Post Club
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 1,905 |
Joe Fontana is "good guy" and knows where horsepower is when producing his 4 and 6 cylinder race motors. Long ago he started using the late "Tom Skinner 12 Port" from right here in South Jersey. Inliner members in this area dream about coming across a Skinner head at a local swap meet. Joe submitted "A Tribute to Tom Skinner" to the May/June 2008 issue of 12PN.
Drew Mid-Atlantic Chapter
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 1,411
1000 Post Club
|
1000 Post Club
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 1,411 |
Not knockin Joe, or anybody else, just curious if anyone knew what the full meal deal cost? 5-7 K is speculation on my part, but appears to be what a Wayne head and all the stuff it takes to make it go costs. Not figuring that Joe can afford to undercut himself, soooo, same, higher, lower, dunno it's why I ask. And if anyone thinks I'm puting James down when I ask if he asked, I'm not, I've been on the phone before and found that somone didn't have anything that was going to work for me and forgot to ask what the stuff they had went for (in case I run into someone that would like to know). So been there, done that, but if you did ask, let us know what he said, please.
My, what a steep learning curve. Erik II#5155
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 92
Active BB Member
|
Active BB Member
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 92 |
You are correct, when the dust clears a complete head is about 5-7k depending on the port work and valves, his four bolt conversion mains are $650 and the roller lifters for the GMC are $850 cam cores about $300. As mentioned Joe is a great guy and knows how to make them go fast and I am glad to call him a friend. Speed is never cheap.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 164
Contributor
|
OP
Contributor
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 164 |
Yes and to 'clarify" I exchanged emails is all. I do not want anyone to think that we had a pointed discussion on the phone. I simply asked in my email if outside of the current line up of Midget inline 4s and GMC sixes was there any interest in Late Chevy Sixes.
Would never slight someone as reputable as Joe. Sorry if it came off that way.
James
James Kuenzi Mid Missouri 64 Dodge Dart GT Convertible 225 /6 w 5speed
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 289
Contributor
|
Contributor
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 289 |
I was hoping Joe would do something with the late model and I'm sorry he isn't. Without Joe and that original Skinner head my son and I would never have gotten in the Bonneville 200 MPH Club. Others who knew Joe back in the 70's and 80's were very glad I became his partner and brought him back to land speed racing. Just 2 years after we quit running together he used one of his new casting Skinners on gasoline in the Fergusons streamliner. He went in the 200 MPH Club at 255 and the oldest member at a "young" 82. Anyone who knows him cannot believe his energy. He travels the country following his Midget Engines. Tony Stewart drove his corporate car a one time and is still a personal friend of Joes. Joe loves racing of all kinds and I hope to partner up again with him............JD
216.158 MPH 12-Port 302 GMC on 70% 171.0 MPH 302 stock head on gasoline 7 years later
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 1,411
1000 Post Club
|
1000 Post Club
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 1,411 |
My misunderstanding, I thought you had him on the phone. idn't figure it was 'pointed' or heated or whatever, just a call like any of us would have made inquiring about the availability of speed parts for our chosen engine/s.
My, what a steep learning curve. Erik II#5155
|
|
|
0 members (),
51
guests, and
41
robots. |
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
|
|