Inliners International Forums General Discussion Engines 292 power steering parts?

just spoke to a dismantler that said im gonna be hard pressed to find brackets and a pump for a 292? is there anythign thats interchangable or anywhere these can be found. I tried a few dismantler websites and all are saying "no go"....do 250 ones swap?

I am having exactly the same problem, altho I'm looking for 250 brackets. The pump is a simple parts store item for about $75. But the brackets seem to have gone extinct. When I was on the chat board about 10 days ago, Twisted6 hinted that he may have some brackets laying around, and I hope he sees this and responds. Last time I looked, there were 3 ads posted on the classified page looking for these parts. I've spent literally hours on the net looking. If I could get my hands on (beg/borrow/steal) one set as a sample, I'd be willing to make several for others in the club. So, c'mon guys, let's get together and fix this!

I've been working on the same project too long and not consistent enough to get it done. Here is what I've learned so far. The 292 block is taller than the 250 by about an 1 3/4 inches. I've got brackets from a 250 and welded the 1 3/4 on the bottom of the alternator bracket and that seems to have got the alt up to were it will fit the adjustment slot on the bracket. I'm sure that has changed the belt size, but how much I'm not sure yet. It's not just a matter of brackets either. To make life easy you need to get all of the pulleys too so they line up, which is were I'm at. Another consideration is if have headers or plan on headers most of the brackets I've see so far are going to require mods to clear the headers and possibly the temp sender on the 292. I've picked up some brackets from possibly a step van on ebay that may eliminate the header clearance problem. Wish I could post some digitals but that another problem right now.

Larry
68 C20 327 daily driver
63 C20 292 Camper truck
65 C10 ? Custom Cab AC,PB,PS,$flasher

Try here: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/showthread.php3?s=&threadid=86345

Frank is an outstanding guy located in Olympia Wa. He deals in 67-72 Chevy trucks.

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67 Chevy truck 250(No, I'm not putting in a 350!)
68 Camaro 250(Again, I'm not putting in a 350!)

I have just partly put a 292 together I'm lacking a junk 292 water pump so I can mock everything up to see what all will be needed Or made I have to more boxes/crates to get into to find my pumps & brakets for the power steering I also show in my card file that i have 1 Ac braket setup as well So I will see what all i have with in the next week or two. The pullys are all pretty much the same. other then the 3rd belt groove on the dampener.
So I'm going at this as fast as i can guys. The power steering stuff for the 250s is pretty easy for me to come by So if i am missing anything I can just hit the bone yards near me for anything i don't have As for the lower mount I have made them in the past for my 250s because I don't run a stock dampener and I have to move things forward.
So going up wouldn't be a problem here for me to make. And i have a few different sets of headers So I can see how things fit that way as well.So as soon as i get it all worked out and it will be of help to all of you here I Will let you know asap.
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NovaMan/Twisted6/Larry

Hi---Look on Ebay #2455599071 & #2455611428 hope this will help----Bob

It's been a while since I did this but it seems like all goes well until you realize all your small six stuff doesn't seem to lineup with the grooves in the balancer.
There's what; two or three different styles of 292 balancer if not more.
I guess best bet is to take everything off a junkyard engine; alt mount, water pump, balancer, PS pump, brackets, if you need it or not.
I cobbled together a mount for the PS pump (from a small block mount and a six cyl mount if I remember correctly) to move pump forward.

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Pete Geurds
64 Malibu SS
64 Chevelle 2dr wagon
64 Malibu 4 dr sedan



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Bob, Thanks for the heads up and the following is no disrespect to you. The first item is a good setup should clear headers. It looks like the same setup on a 66 C20 I worked on this morn. The 66 has what appears to be factory power steering. The pulley on the water pump has three groves, two that match the harmonic balancer on the 250 and a third for the PS. The one for the PS is set about 2" closer to the radiator and about the same diameter as the PS. The second item is I think from an integral head and probably won't clear a set of headers. There may an advantage to these setups, since some of them used an air pump also. I can think of a nice air pump I'd like to put on it named Paxton. :-) Now if I could only get to the pictures on my digital camera.

Larry
68 C20 327 daily driver
63 C20 292 Camper truck
65 C10 ? Custom Cab AC,PB,PS,$flasher

Also a little more food for thought/play guys Where the pully mounts on the water pump can be moved as well Because that is a press fit so it can be moved either way.some if needed. Hope this also helps.}[oooooo]



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NovaMan/Twisted6/Larry

If you can't get the grooves to line up or you don't have enough on your balancer and you are having to make or modify a bracket, try using a double pulley on your alternator and run the PS pump off the extra groove. That is the way I have done on both the 292 I had and on my 302 in my pickup. It works. Joe

To the best of my knowledge the same era 250 P/S brackets will work on a 292 of similar year IF you use a 292 alt. bracket ( it has a 1-3/4" raise to it compared to a 250 alt. bracket ) . This will allow for the adjustment/brace on the back side.
The ones that I am most familiar with are the 1973 and up years . I use the balancer with the three grooves and a deep alt. pulley that has matching three grooves .
I can post some pic's if needed to clarify - just let me know .
Just as a note : This set up is for non-integrated heads .
I have found good luck finding K-10/20/30 series GM trucks 1973 and up with these brackets because P/S was std. equipment on the 4WD's - even on the stripper models.Most of the 2WD's that I have seen with six cylinders are base models with no power steering - look for the 4WD's to find the brackets .

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1984 K-30 w/ 292 / CH465-NP205 ( 32 spline )Dana 60 / GM 14 bolt - 1410 series u-joints / TBI

Pull truck: 2002 HD2500 4X4 Dodge Cummins Turbo Diesel H.O.
NVG 5600 Dana60/80 4.10's

TARussell, if you would post pics, that would be a big help. And thanks for the 4X4 tip.

I'll be glad to get some pic's but it will take me a few weeks ( digital camera is dead ) I need to borrow a friends camera next weekend .
I'll post up as soon as I can . Tom

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1984 K-30 w/ 292 / CH465-NP205 ( 32 spline )Dana 60 / GM 14 bolt - 1410 series u-joints / TBI

Pull truck: 2002 HD2500 4X4 Dodge Cummins Turbo Diesel H.O.
NVG 5600 Dana60/80 4.10's

Here are pictures of the PS for a 66 Chevy truck, and I hope I've got the address right.
As you can see the water pump pulley is a little different.





Larry
68 C20 327 daily driver
63 C20 292 Camper truck
65 C10 ? Custom Cab AC,PB,PS,$flasher

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Hi All I had the same problem at one time too of not having the correct stuff to run my 292.
First you must know what original PS brackets you need 1963 to 1972 are one stlye,and the hardest to find.
Then 1972 to 1989 are the other more common stlye they used the same bracket on the early 1973 and 1974 250 trucks too.
The problem is most of you look on the net for the parts and the problem with that is most of the people that have what you want are old and don't care to use a computer.

1+1 = 2 not 5 (1+1 meaning old motors = old people, old people = no computer, no computer = poor chance of finding what you want on the web.)

So get off the computer and go looking in the fields and backwoods talk too people,the stuff is still out there for the time being, but if these old folks that have them don't here from you those 292 engines they had out in the field will be cleaned up one day.
One guy I talked to this spring that cleans up farms told me,'" its $75.00 an hour to run the dozer at the job, we don't have time to lift the hoods anymore, we just flatten them and send they to the recycle place and they put them (meaning 292s with the brackets on some of them) through the shredder."

I bought a PS pump off the internet [guy I knew was OK] that he said was possibly for a 292 since it was different from the 250. I mocked it up on a core engine ['63 292] and was satisfied that at least 3 of the fasteners in the top bracket matched bolt holes in the head. There was a curved slot for the Alt tension adjuster, but this looked too high for the alt in its normal position. What's wrong with using a separate stand-off bracket for the alternator, and grinding the slot out of the bottom of the PS bracket if it's in the way?

I think there's also a 292 specific alternator bracket too.
It lifts and supports!

I've seen the same cast-type on both. I have also seen a welded 1/4" iron strap type that came off an '81 250. That's the alternator mount bracket, not the stand off or tensioner [upper] alt bracket.