Inliners International Forums General Discussion Drive Train Good shifter for the Saginaw 4spd

I was very confused trying to figure out what Hurst Competition Plus shifter model and kit would be needed to swap the stock 3spd Sag for a 4spd Sag.

Looking at the descriptions for each product on Hurst's website, there was a consistent recommendation for the Muncies and T-10s from 1967 through 1982 on Camaros. They had a shifter and kit for the '67 &'68 451, '69 452, '70-'74 453, '74-'81 454, and '82 455. Every Camaro with an L48 SS, Z28, SS big block, or LM1 with close ratio had a recommendation for shifter and kit.

For the Saginaw's it seemed like some years were missing. They had recommendations for 441 for '67 & '68, then again for '73 thru '77, and a recommendation for the Sag 456 in '82. I kept wondering if I was missing a model that was need for late second gens, early second gens, or the '69. After looking and looking, and making a little chart of what models covered what years I think I know why it is incomplete. Hurst is more interested in the HD performance trannies, and so the Sag 4spd is not their priority. The only reason they have recommendations for '73 thru '77 Sags on a Camaro is that at that time the only way to get a close ratio Muncie or T-10 was on a Z28, and those had slumping '73 and '74 sales, and were discontinued for '75 and '76, then only reappearing halfway through '77. So most 350s sold during those years came with wide range Sag 4spds. So just by availability they listed them for those years, and not the early '70s or late second gen like mine because the Z28 was more common.

Given that their recommendations for the Muncie 453 and T-10 454 do not change for any second gen Camaro. I think their recommended 3917438 shifter and 3738607 kit that are recommended for the 441 from '73 to '77, will also work on a '70 to '72 as well as the '78 to '80 Camaros with Sag 441s. Summit has the shifter for $365.69 and the kit for $182.61. Some places carry them bundled together too. I'm going to start looking around eBay and other places to see if I can find a used one to clean up and save some money with.