#24514 - 09/02/06 10:19 AM
Re: Vortec 4200
|
cajundragger
Active BB Member
Registered: 08/12/06
Posts: 58
|
makes sence to me...
So I think to make it easiest Im going to run the colorado/canyon clutch with a toyota disk.
What about a throttle body?
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#24515 - 09/02/06 10:37 AM
Re: Vortec 4200
|
milnersXcoupe
Member
Registered: 08/12/05
Posts: 30
Loc: NEW-mid HUDSON valley-YORK
|
What about it ?
_________________________
Brien.
NEW YORK
milnersXcoupe
eagle registry #501
eagle kammback series50
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#24516 - 09/02/06 11:38 AM
Re: Vortec 4200
|
cajundragger
Active BB Member
Registered: 08/12/06
Posts: 58
|
Do I get a peddle from the trailblazer too, or can it be converted to cable pull?
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#24517 - 09/02/06 02:42 PM
Re: Vortec 4200
|
milnersXcoupe
Member
Registered: 08/12/05
Posts: 30
Loc: NEW-mid HUDSON valley-YORK
|
_________________________
Brien.
NEW YORK
milnersXcoupe
eagle registry #501
eagle kammback series50
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#24518 - 09/02/06 04:25 PM
Re: Vortec 4200
|
milnersXcoupe
Member
Registered: 08/12/05
Posts: 30
Loc: NEW-mid HUDSON valley-YORK
|
http://tinyurl.com/qhjwt
_________________________
Brien.
NEW YORK
milnersXcoupe
eagle registry #501
eagle kammback series50
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#24519 - 09/02/06 05:37 PM
Re: Vortec 4200
|
cajundragger
Active BB Member
Registered: 08/12/06
Posts: 58
|
Originally posted by milnersXcoupe: Cajun, ........... don't mess with perfection.
When you go to get the DOHC VVT I-6 LL8 4200, try www.car-parts.com for starters.
Pick the year - 2006 has MAF - find the yard that has it for the '*Nice Price* - contact them, and tell them this is for a Project, and you need everything - Alternator - Wire Harness - ECM - Acc. Pedal and attatchments with nuts / bolts / screws / flat washers in Baggies - you can figure out what goes where later, and ask for the price.
Get everything you can STOCK the first shot - and forget 'Customizing' - get all the parts from the Donor to transfer to your Vehicle : STOCK .
As to a flywheel - the lighter flywheel will spin up the engine quicker - better 'Blip Factor' .
Once it is in - you can then think about Turbos - or 'locked camshafts' or custom ECMs - or Carbs & Cables - but...:
You want this as Stock as possible to get the transfer over with & THEN you can see what you have.
IF you want to Turbo the engine before installing it > and have the Time and Money > contact GM and find which 2MM shorter Forged Con. Rods they used for the Turbo 4200. I believe I read that they used ROSS pistons. Use Turbo Wrist Pins with Teflon Buttons to avoid having the spring clips break or pop out > freaky but it does happen.
Venolia is another source for Turbo Pistons.
For a Stick Trans engine - lighter is better as to Pistons and Venolia is the best.
While the engine is apart > have the clutch / pressure plate / flywheel / crankshaft / rods / pistons Kpl. / front pully & balancer :
=Dynamicly Balanced=.
Running 9 to 1 pistons will allow you to use higher boost > plan on a custom Intercooler, do research on production intercoolers to save money, FORD POWERSTROKE comes to mind, but lurk on jyturbo@yahoogroups.com for more info.
Keep the VVT, as the ECM will adjust the cams to match the boost - you don't want to defeat the engines engineering.
The 2006 engine is 290HP stock.
Putting 6lbs. Boost on it will put you close to 375 / 390 HP with STOCK internals.
Since you want to use a Standard Transmission, each time you lift from the gas, you'll lose Boost and the Turbo will spool down - you don't want a Turbo Engine for a Stick Trans.
A belt Driven Supercharger would be much better for your application as when you kick the RPM back up to match your Gear > you'll have Boost 'Right Now' - since the blower is tied to the crank.
Whipple is one company that uses the 'Auto-Rotor' Screw Type supercharger - which is what I recommend you find a way to get mounted and installed on a 2006 LL8 backed by a Stick Trans.
Auto-Rotor is Swedish or Swiss - do a Google.com search, be prepared to hunt as the Company Site has moved around - great site - but difficult to find - might be under a secondary name , so be prepared to try all variables.
If you're going 'Blown' > build the engine with the Rods / Pistons / Balance > and shoot for 550 / 600 HP.
That will make it all worth while 
What flywheel do I use for a manual? I read somewhere in here theres a post with part numbers, but I did a search and found nothing. From what I read the stock one will not work, and one from a colorado canyon will not work either...
I dont see how Im going to loose boost during shifts if I have a blow off valve...because everytime I shift the BOV pops, pressure gets release, and when the pressure drops in the intake it closes again and the turbo will still be spool up and boost will be right back...
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#24520 - 09/04/06 03:01 PM
Re: Vortec 4200
|
cajundragger
Active BB Member
Registered: 08/12/06
Posts: 58
|
can a 2.8/3.5 flywheel be machined to fit the crank of the 4.2, and a starter from a 2.8/3.5 be used? Or is there a flywheel that will work? Everyone is being quiet about the flywheel so does that mean nobody knows or its underwraps?
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#24522 - 09/05/06 03:04 PM
Re: Vortec 4200
|
cajundragger
Active BB Member
Registered: 08/12/06
Posts: 58
|
I read through this whole thread...there is a part number listed but its a dead end for me...I tried searching google and gmparts.com and some other website with no luck...
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#24523 - 09/05/06 05:01 PM
Re: Vortec 4200
|
cajundragger
Active BB Member
Registered: 08/12/06
Posts: 58
|
I found on a buick board that there is a flywheel for the v6 buicks that is 13.5 " across the ring gear and has 161 teeth. It can be had in aluminum as well, so maybe it will work?
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#24526 - 09/05/06 09:02 PM
Re: Vortec 4200
|
oddballopel
Active BB Member
Registered: 10/18/05
Posts: 6
Loc: PA
|
If you guys are looking for a manual flywheel to fit the 4200, go back to page 1 in this forum, scroll down to JERRY's message. He had a handfull of flywheels made from the original GM part number(which is no longer available)It bolts up to the 4200 & uses all the 5 cyl. clutch parts. I bought one & it looks A1!!! I'm also using the Colorado 5 speed trans. Does anyone make a better shifter for this trans(other than stock)?
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#24527 - 09/05/06 10:40 PM
Re: Vortec 4200
|
Greg55_99
Member
Registered: 06/14/05
Posts: 18
Loc: Boston, MA
|
OK, I e-mailed Jerry Weigt, the gent that posted the info about the export flywheel. This is the response he sent me (with pics too!).
"Greg: I received a 4.2 flywheel from GM’s beta-test program. I later found that this was an “export only, not available in the U.S. ” item. I had a machine shop make copies in billit steel. It uses the starter ring gear from the Chevy Colorado or GMC Canyon 4 or 5 cylinder with manual transmission. It uses the metric pressure plate from the 5 cylinder and is also drilled for an S.A.E. pressure plate.
If this would work for you, I’d be happy to provide one for the sum of $275 (plus freight and tax, if applicable). I’ve attached a front and back picture.
I would be happy to chat with you. You can contact me at (530) 795-0224 most evenings.
Jerry Weigt
weigts@sbcglobal.net"
Well, there you have it. A source for 4200 flywheels. I can't post pics so if anyone wants a pic, send me a PM.
Greg
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#24528 - 09/06/06 06:26 AM
Re: Vortec 4200
|
cajundragger
Active BB Member
Registered: 08/12/06
Posts: 58
|
Greg, I emailed him too and got the same thing, I think Im going to grab one. It says to use a starter gear from a colorado/canyon, but I thought the colorado/canyon had a different tooth starter though? Hm, I dunno.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#24529 - 09/22/06 07:18 PM
Re: Vortec 4200
|
cajundragger
Active BB Member
Registered: 08/12/06
Posts: 58
|
would I need a special fuel pump since the TB motor is returnless? Or will a regular external EFI pump work?
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#24533 - 01/19/07 06:46 PM
Re: Vortec 4200
|
soultron
Junior Member
Registered: 01/19/07
Posts: 2
Loc: Northeast Ohio
|
I'm pretty jazzed on this idea. I like the idea of a nice modern day powerplant moving my 68 Camaro or even my 87 Firebird. This whole thread makes me wanna sink some cash into finding a 4200 and a manual trans rather than building a 350 again.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#24534 - 01/20/07 02:26 AM
Re: Vortec 4200
|
milnersXcoupe
Member
Registered: 08/12/05
Posts: 30
Loc: NEW-mid HUDSON valley-YORK
|
Try :
www.car-parts.com
they've a great selection of 4200 inline s :p available.
_________________________
Brien.
NEW YORK
milnersXcoupe
eagle registry #501
eagle kammback series50
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#24535 - 01/21/07 05:22 AM
Re: Vortec 4200
|
soultron
Junior Member
Registered: 01/19/07
Posts: 2
Loc: Northeast Ohio
|
Wow, I see that. I knew there were alot of those trailblazers on the road, but wow. There's also alot of 5 speed canyon trans, but I'm guessing the 2.8 trans and the 3.5 versions are different.
Is there anymore news on engine management?
The dizzy and carbs set ups I've seen look cumbersome, but the EFI sounds hard to crack.
Running on MS&S or Carbs w/Megajolt light would be cool though. I think it'd look sharp and pull good numbers with ITBs. Since I'm not as tech minded to come up with my own system to run it I'll just have to keep my eyes on what happens here and elsewhere.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#24537 - 01/26/07 08:53 PM
Re: Vortec 4200
|
seiscanecos74
Active BB Member
Registered: 11/11/04
Posts: 176
|
In the last brazilian 4100 comes a crank trigger and ignition system which is very similar to the Ford EDIS one.
Wasn't it be suitable on that case?
_________________________
250 Chevy under tha hood, scratching tha foot
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#24539 - 02/08/07 07:20 AM
Re: Vortec 4200
|
huffin53
Active BB Member
Registered: 01/04/07
Posts: 63
Loc: NORWAY
|
I am swapping in to a '53 truck
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#24540 - 04/23/07 06:00 PM
Re: Vortec 4200
|
trout two
Active BB Member
Registered: 12/17/04
Posts: 17
Loc: dexter ny
|
Anybody running yet with a modified factory ECM ?
I hope I'm no more than a month away. Engine is in, coupled to a Tremec 6 spd and I have an ECM modified by Lyndon at Wester's Garage in Alberta. I've had to modify my own harness as well so I have my fingers crossed there also.
Stay Tuned!
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#24542 - 04/25/07 07:09 PM
Re: Vortec 4200
|
trout two
Active BB Member
Registered: 12/17/04
Posts: 17
Loc: dexter ny
|
It's in a 59 Austin-Healey 100-6 ! I milled the bottom 2 1/2" off the pan, cut the "tunnel" out and plugged the holes and put sheet metal hinged baffles inside to control fore and aft slosh.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#24544 - 04/28/07 01:47 PM
Re: Vortec 4200
|
trout two
Active BB Member
Registered: 12/17/04
Posts: 17
Loc: dexter ny
|
I neglected to mention that the motor I'm replacing is a 250 chev I installed in 1969! That was .030 over, crane cam , 1.94-1.60 valves, ported, aluminum flywheel, GM electronic ignition, 4bbl, headers,and until 2004 hooked up to the Healey 4spd w/OD and then switched to athe 6spd.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#24546 - 06/12/07 09:19 PM
Re: Vortec 4200
|
brandon
Member
Registered: 06/07/07
Posts: 5
Loc: tennesse
|
Originally posted by trout two:
It's in a 59 Austin-Healey 100-6 ! I milled the bottom 2 1/2" off the pan, cut the "tunnel" out and plugged the holes and put sheet metal hinged baffles inside to control fore and aft slosh.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#24547 - 06/13/07 07:43 PM
Re: Vortec 4200
|
trout two
Active BB Member
Registered: 12/17/04
Posts: 17
Loc: dexter ny
|
okay, so heres the problem. I don't know how to move my pictures from the card reader in my scanner to this message board. If someone explains that to me, I'll get you some pics.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#24548 - 06/16/07 11:11 PM
Re: Vortec 4200
|
ACH57
Active BB Member
Registered: 05/21/07
Posts: 42
Loc: Clarkdale, AZ
|
Originally posted by Mean buzzen half dozen A.K.A. Hank:
OHCFbird is.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#24549 - 06/21/07 07:16 PM
Re: Vortec 4200
|
Greg55_99
Member
Registered: 06/14/05
Posts: 18
Loc: Boston, MA
|
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#24550 - 06/22/07 09:50 PM
Re: Vortec 4200
|
brandon
Member
Registered: 06/07/07
Posts: 5
Loc: tennesse
|
just found this link on the hybridz forum thanks.I was wondering if Trout could let us know who made the adaptor and flywheel and what clutch he used? any help would be greatly appreciated.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#24551 - 06/23/07 03:01 PM
Re: Vortec 4200
|
ACH57
Active BB Member
Registered: 05/21/07
Posts: 42
Loc: Clarkdale, AZ
|
Also, how about those headers? Nothing like that available in the US.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
Moderator: Webmaster
|
|
God doesn't like ugly.
