#27712 - 02/20/08 10:16 AM
Re: Building a 302 GMC for LSR
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GH
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Ron, I am not planning on dynoing the engine because of the turbo installation. I will probably run it on a chassis dyno like we did with the big block Chev. Have you purchased a transmission adapter yet?
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#27713 - 02/27/08 03:06 PM
Re: Building a 302 GMC for LSR
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GH
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I just ordered pushrods today from Manton. They are 3/8" dia. x .095" wall thickness x 10-3/4" long. The next thing to purchase is the trans adapter and flywheel.
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#40541 - 03/11/08 08:16 AM
Re: Building a 302 GMC for LSR
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GH
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Ron, let me know how that comes out. I met Mr. Merrit from Humansville that other evening, he is coming back this afternoon. I loaned him the pattern for the copper intake/exhaust gasket. He is going to loan me his aluminum adapter plate so I can make a pattern of it. I got the pushrods from Manton last week, they look great. The engine is all but done. You need to come down this was some time, I'll take you for a ride in the Studebaker, it has a passenger seat with a seat belt.
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#41100 - 04/29/08 08:08 AM
Re: Building a 302 GMC for LSR
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GH
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I bought an SFI approved flywheel for a big block Chevrolet, welded up the dowel pin hole and had the center machined out to the diameter of the GMC and the 6 holes drilled to fit the GMC. Now I can work on the adapter plate.
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#45166 - 11/16/08 05:00 PM
Re: Building a 302 GMC for LSR
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GH and Ron, What are the updates on these engines? It would be handy to get all the info for these in one spot. What a resource and time saver. Vendors of gaskets, pistons, rods, cams, lifters, pushrods, rockers, etc. Interchanges for flywheels, dampeners, valves, springs would be great. Ron did you get your ride? GH, Is the Jimmy in the Stude? What trannys were you adapting?
Thanks, Beater
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#45223 - 11/18/08 07:57 AM
Re: Building a 302 GMC for LSR
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GH
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Beater of the Pack, my GMC is completed as far as I can go before it goes into a car. I have offered my 53 Stude up for sale. I am planning on building a new car for the GMC 6. Copper head gasket from Horsepower Engineering, pistons from Venolia, rods from Howards, cam reground from Donnie Johansen, stock lifters resurfaced, pushrods from Manton, stock rockerarms, ATI super dampner, SBC valves and springs, big block chev flywheel reworked. All balanced with Cloyes timing set that is not marked correctly for the GMC, you have to degree the cam and remark it.
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#45764 - 12/04/08 10:17 PM
Re: Building a 302 GMC for LSR
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$UM FUN
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I think there is some HP gains by straightening the lifter holes. As I mentioned in another thread when I put my mule motor on my friends spintron, I was shocked by all the movement in the valve train. The end rocker wobbled and their was almost a 2% deflection. Thats why I built a girdle for the rockers, basically the bottom half of my valve cover. For all out racing applications valve terrain stability among other things is key.
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#45769 - 12/04/08 10:50 PM
Re: Building a 302 GMC for LSR
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$UM FUN
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This is what I did for my rockers and girdle. After running the design through a FEA program the rocker came out looking very similar to the Del West Style thats in NASCAR. The shaft is also smaller than a stock GMC. A lot of work on a spintron went into this.
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#45787 - 12/05/08 10:29 AM
Re: Building a 302 GMC for LSR
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Armond, II#298
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Stock Chrysler Hemi's use a .904 lifter. Keith Black and many others use a 1 inch lifter, so do some Fords (I think).
GMC 302 Lifter bore = .9905 - .9915 Lifter diameter = .989 - .990 clearance = .004
There is a link here at Inliners that will take you to the Classic Truck site where all this is listed.
http://www.oldgmctrucks.com/page0311.html
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#45796 - 12/05/08 03:09 PM
Re: Building a 302 GMC for LSR
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Reason for my question: There is an intermediate step (not "green", and no longer favored as an advantage) that has been used for 75 years - the mushroom tappet. The maximum velocity a flat tappet can reach (which determines how much valve open area you can fit into a specified duration) is roughly proportionate to the tappet's contact surface length: Maximum velocity per degree Of rotation = (tappet diameter - .040”)/114.6so the .904" and .875" are favored over the .842" for V8 because they allow hotter profiles. For many V8s this has limits because the tappets are so close together, but it appears that the stovebolt & GMC spacing is more generous. There is no complex machining, because the gallery appears fairly open and only clearance to permit the upper (non-critical) surface of the "foot" to rise farther. The cam can be any cam that works as to material (no steel, billet, etc.), but the grinds can be far more aggressive, especially the "split" between nominal IVC vs. effective (.050") IVC (which balances compression bleed-down against inertia fill), and nominal EVO vs. effective EVO (which balances pumping loss against duty cycle %). How about the tappet price? Just use the VW Type I (air-cooled opposed 4) 31mm (1.22", over 24% more area than a .990" stock tappet) mushroom, still made new & cheap by EMPI, by bushing the tappet opening down to .748" (19mm). The tappet still rotates as normal with the tapered lobe. No linkage, no tie bars. I myself, had completely forgotten about the mushroom tappets as an inexpensive alternative,good thinking! Someone that didn't want the expense of trying to use a roller setup, might explore that possibility.
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