#46408 - 12/29/08 11:55 AM
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Bosanova
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Hello new guy here. My name is Erik and i live in Norway. Here is some pics of my 1963 Chevy2 Nova. The engine is a 250 cui with Accel DFI and a T76q turbo, running E85. Looking forward to browsing this forum for some good inliner info.
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#46420 - 12/29/08 05:41 PM
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Mean buzzen half dozen A.K.A. Hank
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Nice work Erik, Details please on your turbo set-up. Has it been to a track,dynoed,raced,etc,etc. How much boost you are running? Automatic trans, what kind,manual trans,what kind,what stall on converter if applicable? & so-on.
For the early Novas, I was saying we could possibly use the SPA turbo exhaust manifold & use an adaptor pipe to locate the turbo where it will fit like in the position where your T76Q turbo sits.
BTW, what are the specs on your turbo? turbine wheel is a Q ,w/a A/R turbine housing of????
Anymore pics of your build,pistons,compression,clyinder heads mods,if any,,, etc,etc.
BTW, I like the 194 sticker,sleeper, a guy that thinks the way I do????
Thanks Rick
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#46450 - 12/30/08 09:57 AM
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fingersix
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Erik, awesome job,, more info please,,,what throttle body, is there one injector per runner tapped into the stock manifold???, I'm assuming that's the fuel rail running along the valve cover,,,
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#46455 - 12/30/08 11:24 AM
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Bosanova
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Thanks for the kind words! As for now the dyno figures stand at 530 hp@5300 and 588 lbs@4000rpms at the flywheel, with 21psi boost and E85. A/R is 1.15, full boost is at 3000rpms in fourth gear on the highway. I must say it pulls very good in a car this light. Gearbox is a M20 manual with 2.73 in the rear. No 1/4 times yet.
The engine is basically stock LOL. Well not completely stock Mild porting on the head 1.94, 1.6 valves, no lump or removed divider. Ported stock intake with bungs welded on it, throttle body is from a Ford 4.6 V8. Fuel supply is by six 120lbs injectors. Forged 307 pistons STD bore , stock rods, stock rockers, stock pushrods,stock oilpump, GM duramoly rings.ARP on rods and head, 1025 head gasket. Compression is around 8:1, cranking pressure are 120psi with a crane 204-216@50 camshaft. Its actually a hyd camshaft but i run mech lifters on it(very small lash) the valve springs and retainers are GM L31 parts.(leftovers)i rev it to 6300rpms.
The exhaust is the stock manifold that i welded a T4 flange on and did some porting on, wastegate is from Audi. Downpipe is 3" with one straight through muffler. Thats about it. The goal now is to make as much power with this basic configuraton as possible, and then build an all out engine later. Here is some pics of the build.
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#46658 - 01/07/09 10:16 AM
New guy with turbo inliner!
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Dave68
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Dude you are my new hero I have a 68 Chevelle wich came with a 250.
I pulled the 250 out and installed a GN engine in the car. Now I need to rebuild the 3.8 and have been thinking about going in another direction which was to put a turbo on the 250 or a SBC. Anyway. Your set up is AWESOME dude. I have a few questions. 1- Would you make an exhaust and intake manifold for me? 2- How do you think it would run on 93 octane, intercooler and Akly? 3-How much did the complete project $$$$ run you?
Edited by Dave68 (01/07/09 10:26 AM)
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#46664 - 01/07/09 06:06 PM
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Dave68
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I looked all over the net for SPA and couldn't find them, Can you post a link? What year and model truck for that manifold? My goal is to go 11.50s on a daily driver; could it be done with a Turboed 250? Do you have a write up on your car? (in your sig.) thanks David
Spa make a turbo exhaust manifold & tlowe sells them here or on Ebay. His intake & exhaust are stock original pieces that are modified I believe. You can run a larger 3 bolt truck exhaust manifold & connect a pipe along w/tubing to position the turbo where ever you like.
With a mild tune on alky & 93 octane,you should be able to make 350-500 HP depending on all of your supporting mods pretty easy,& this would not a max effort engine..
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#46670 - 01/07/09 07:12 PM
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Dave68
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Thanks for the link Do you know who makes that intake manifold? That thing is bada$$ Sorry for all of the questions but to me this is a new thing with the 250 engines. About 8 years ago I looked for any type of info on these engines and found nothing and now this WOW. Thanks. David
Here is one also. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SPA-Turbo...emZ320164001492They are $120 if you can get them from Brazil. Guys,,,,chime in here on what year truck manifold has the larger exit. If you have everything set-up nicely & run sticky tires on a daily driver & does not weight too much, 11's can be achieved. No write up on my car,it's a work in progress,a slow progress ;-) MBHD
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#46673 - 01/07/09 07:30 PM
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I have two of the 2.5" truck manifolds. One came from a early '70s truck, the other was a new replacement I got off e-bay. I bought the replacement to create a split manifold for my '37 and it may be usefull in a turbo application for the same reasons I bought it. The exhaust outlet sits under cylinder #s 4&5 instead of under the carb flange, and it points pretty much straight down. There is a big flat area under the # 2&3 cylinders that allowed me to build a symetrical split manifold. The 292 manifold besides having the rearward sited outlet, is flat under the carbflange going forward until under the 2-3 cylinders, and it has reinforcement "fins" front and rear.
Having the outlet under 4&5 gives more distance to wrangle the exhaust pipe and the straight down, rather than pointed rearward, doesn't hurt either if you are using one for a turbo placed as in the photos above in this thread.
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#46676 - 01/07/09 08:56 PM
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dave68, the pic's on ebay are of my motor in my 65 elcamino. i built it from the ground up. i sell the SPA manifolds and cheaper than that guy on ebay. if interested in a manifold PM me. for tech stuff , ask away. tom
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#46685 - 01/08/09 05:51 AM
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dave68, the pic's on ebay are of my motor in my 65 elcamino. i built it from the ground up. i sell the SPA manifolds and cheaper than that guy on ebay. if interested in a manifold PM me. for tech stuff , ask away. tom
Are you on the TC site and go by the same name? My name over there is Turbopowered68 I tried getting the same name here but I screwed something up along the way. Anyway I would like to do something like this on my Chevelle. Right now I have an 87 GN engine in it and the Turbo just took a dump plus the engine could use a rebuild. So because of this I have been thinking about going with a deferent set up. I still have the OE 250 that came in the car and I think this would be a real cool set up if I can get similar results to the GN set up and if it doesn’t cost much more then my current set up.
How strong are the 250 blocks? Could I use the OE Crank? Could I use the OE Rods? Do they make a roller Cam for this engine? Like I said I am looking to dip into the 11.50s and still have a good DD that gets allot of miles and long trips. Thanks for you help. David
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#46710 - 01/08/09 05:37 PM
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Quote" How strong are the 250 blocks? Could I use the OE Crank?"
With about 1000 HP,it seems these engines will stay together, with stock crank & maincaps.
Guys in Brazil with there turbocharged 250's are making up to 1400 HP with stock cranks ,stock main caps,no girdle. With 1/4 mile times of 8.2 ,that is the record for a car.IIRC.
That is about the limit it seems for stock items. Just know that @ these power levels,the cranks do walk around & they do eventually break. Not bad for stock components though,,right?
Now this information I am telling is what I have been told from friends in Brazil. But,,, I have seen the videos on the record setting Dyno HP & 1/4 runs.
MBHD
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#47041 - 01/19/09 04:29 PM
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Edy
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i've been away from while...
here in Brazil is not uncommon to see 700-800 HP on wheels. no girdle, stock crank, just arp studs, forjed rods and pistons.
There was a chevy 250 twin turbo that made 1200HP and i think 8.5s on 1/4 mile.
I have a project to build a 1000HP - 200HP on nitro progress, i will use a girdle and a 4340 crank, i wont run 1/4 mile runs. but 3 kms top speed/acceleration runs! i think a stock crank will not hold! :-p
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#47042 - 01/19/09 04:49 PM
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Edy
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just to put water in your mouth...
http://www.engineracing.com.br/pecasnacionais.html
just click on "MAIS DETALHES" to see a bigger picture
edy
Spa make a turbo exhaust manifold & tlowe sells them here or on Ebay. His intake & exhaust are stock original pieces that are modified I believe. You can run a larger 3 bolt truck exhaust manifold & connect a pipe along w/tubing to position the turbo where ever you like. With a mild tune on alky & 93 octane,you should be able to make 350-500 HP depending on all of your supporting mods pretty easy,& this would not a max effort engine.. MBHD Dude you are my new hero I have a 68 Chevelle wich came with a 250.
I pulled the 250 out and installed a GN engine in the car. Now I need to rebuild the 3.8 and have been thinking about going in another direction which was to put a turbo on the 250 or a SBC. Anyway. Your set up is AWESOME dude. I have a few questions. 1- Would you make an exhaust and intake manifold for me? 2- How do you think it would run on 93 octane, intercooler and Akly? 3-How much did the complete project $$$$ run you?
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#47611 - 02/05/09 09:46 PM
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Isn't Tlowe selling tubo manifolds for the 292 type six?
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#47618 - 02/06/09 05:17 AM
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i do, but they do not fit the 62-67 chevyII chassis. I can get them to make a manifold if someone can show me where to put the turbo in the engine bay. tom
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#47790 - 02/10/09 06:55 PM
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James, looking at this very issue with fuel injection on my project. Going to go rummage through some experienced auto parts this weekend and take a look at mopar (jeep) inline port F.I. and, if I can find one, a throttle body off a 7.5 GM truck. A couple of different ideas are percolating. Working with an Inliner member that races at the lake so he's been helpful. You get to this stage the pocket book has to open some.
Let us know how you intend to develop your F.I. system. Good stuff all. If it aint broke, you're not trying.
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#47973 - 02/16/09 09:04 PM
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James, other threads have beeen discussing F.I. and some problems really popped out. Really went to "school" in engine discussion thread. Thank you contributors. My buddy ted says we'll make our own hybrid. Like eric's design, w/throttle butterfly up front, followed by a lead tube with the injectors in two rows on top of it. that section transitions into the intake. plan on using GM system off a 5 liter V-8 and use all 8 injectors. So, a throttle body using port style injectors? It's crazy enough it might work? later.
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#48010 - 02/18/09 08:16 AM
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fuel injected interest keeps me on this,,, I see summit has universal elbows set up for square flange carb setups and uses ford or gm throttle bodies, but that takes me back to the idea of a straight throttle body,, like a salvage 4.3 setup, and painless wiring kit,,will the turbo not work as well on those setups as port injectors,,?
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#48014 - 02/18/09 05:10 PM
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GM throttle bodies are a low pressure affair, 12-15 psi. for fuel. The people who have done this before say one needs to maintain 5 to 6 psi above boost pressure...requiring an adjustable fuel pressure regulator that responds to boost. stands to reason since they were originally a vacuum based system. TBI fuel regulators are integral within the unit. I don't want to go there on my project. Seems like a number of us are dealing with this right now. Good luck. PS.. lots of info on other threads here..
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