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03.13.10 - 1963 Chevy II sNOwVA

regarding the fan, I'm glad I was able to find it. I had a hard time finding one that would work with the 292 water pump. From what I can tell, some of the 292 water pumps only have one bolt pattern, which matches the SBC/BBC pattern. The 194 pumps I have have dual patterns, one which is smaller that the SBC/BBC pattern. Most of the fans I have have the smaller pattern and won't work with the 292.

I found two fans that will work with the 292 - a 4 blade off of a 3rd gen nova and a 6 blade from a what I believe was a 60's dodge. I am hoping the 4 blade pulls enough air b/c it has more clearance that the 6 blade. Both are really close and I have a friend coming over to see if he thinks I have enough clearance.

Fan patterns:
The "small" pattern was also used on the Mouse (SBC). So it was on both the I6 and the SBC. I don't know what year they switched over to the later big pattern, maybe the same year they switched from the Rochester B carb to Satan's Carb (the Monojet:).

The "Small" pattern is also the same as the Ford fan, I have used 4-blade Ford fans on the 250 and 292, with the right water pump there is enough clearance to the rad. I did have to space the fan out maybe 1/4" to clear the double-pulley 292 damper.

that's is good info to have. thanks!

I added a few more details to my webpage:
http://63chevyii.com/the_build/2010/august.htm

I was hoping to install the torque converter and flexplate yesterday with the engine in the car. I spent about 3 hours messing with it, until I decided to pull both the tranny and engine again. Turns out the flexplate bolts are hitting the torque converter, due to the reinforcement plate/taller profile heads on the ARP flexplate bolts I'm using. I'm going to try removing the reinforcement plate tonight to see if that will give me enough clearance.

I hope I don't have to go with the original flywheel bolts - I have no idea where they are!

hey 63 i used grade 8 bolts and external serated lock washers 4 mine

DO not use washers on your flywheel/flex plate to the crank.APR crank bolt kits will tell you right in their paper work NO washers.
If your building any type of high rpm motor(another words higher then a stock motor would rpm) The harmaonics on these motors will flatten out the star washers and Now You flywheel/flex plate will be come lose!

well i took my 67 w/the 292 in it 2 the track friday night
test/tune at M.I.R.

1st run
rt. .218
et. 16.16
mph 80.92

2nd run
rt. .122
et 16.10
mph 81.29

3rd run
rt. .143
et 15.99
mph 81.67

4th run
rt. .083
et 15.81
mph 82.74

5th run
rt. .271
et 15.83
mph 82.61

what ya think?

Not bad,not bad.

What are your 60' times?
What is done to the 292?
Rear gear ratio,sticky tires,(I'd guess no)
Weight of Nova.
Auto, manual?
Details,details

MBHD

6pac2go,
I'm also curious about your setup.
My best guess at it from playing with my Gonkulator computer is that your car is slightly light (2900 w/driver down the track?), basically stock 292 with the 2.5" exhaust manifold, wide open, and maybe a 2bbl carb on top? I don't recognize the intake, what is it? Trans, either 4spd or Turbo350, I couldn't tell from the movie, 3.08 or 3.55 gears depending on the trans.
About a 2.20 60ft time is my calculation, 10.01 at 67.8 1/8 mile.

Want to hear more about your car! cool interior!

the eng is stock, 292 exhaust 2.5, dual outlet flow faster,
intake is homemade of big block header pipes w/a v shaped plenum w/a divider plate in the center, 2gc carb w/#61 holley jets, th350, shift kit, vega torque vertor,3.08 gears (8.5)but w/the 205-75-14's it drops the ratio 2 a 3.00. shift at 4500 but i did take it 2 5000 a couple times and stilled pulled hard, thru the traps about 4200-4400. the 60' time's u geuss r about right, tires are set at 45psi front-rears 30psi, traction bars, 90-10's front, stock rear (shocks) camaro seat, chevette shifter, also ran no air filter, stall at about 1500-1800 rpm's, water temp never over 170

intake is homemade of big block header pipes w/a v shaped plenum w/a divider plate in the center, 2gc carb

Details?
Pictures?

intake pics and 1 interior

http://s42.photobucket.com/home/6pac2go

pic of car at track

http://www.photoreflect.com/store/Orderpage.aspx?pi=0BDM00DT000006&po=6&pc=113

Awesome sounding 292 that you have Mr 6pac2Go

Link does not work for me.

MBHD

when u click link it comes up w/back or home. click home then click here
MIRDrag - Test and Tune (MIROCK) • 10/1/2010

then cars, 1st page sec row black 67 w/white wheels
(sorry bout all the stuff 2 go thru just 2 c it)

went 2 track again friday the 8th
1st pass
rt .112
mph 83.65
et 15.73

2nd
rt .025
mph 83.75
et 15.66

3rd rt .143
mph 83.68
et 15.66

4th
rt .192
mph 83.41
et 15.83 ( valve floated, went up 2 5k)

5th rt .086
mph 83.50
et 15.70

i nomally shift at 4700-4800 and it seems 2 like it there.
took off air filter and muffler vs the 1st time i took it 2 the track. should have other pics by wed.

6pac
Those are some more great times.
That is about what my Gonkulator computer showed, a gain of about .15 sec and 1mph+ or so on unhooking the muffler. That air cleaner looks pretty big, I doubt if any of the gain was from taking that off.

I calculate your engine at
Torq 258 at 2700
Powr 172 at 4200

Seeing the car in the 15.60s at 83+ shows what you can do with a light car, a good setup, and no accessories to rob power. Now I am extra anxious to get my 292 in my own car.

new pic, front end lift (no not off the ground) hope this link works.

http://public.fotki.com/Samm601/maryland...g-14.html#media

some progress...

http://63chevyii.com/the_build/2011/index_2011.htm

03.01.11 - 03.15.11 ~ a few steps closer...

03.16.11 - 03.31.11 ~ still going...

Nice.
Whats next?

MBHD

here you go
April 1 - May 6

I fired it up last weekend and got it running, but in order for it to idle on it's own, I had to turn the distributor so that the timing is really retarded (maybe as much as 30 degrees, at least according to the timing mark).

I had someone help me find TDC and mark the balancer. Is it possible that when I put the distributor in it was off by a tooth or two? If so, which way do I need to turn it, counter clockwise?

Depends on if you were 1 or 2 teeth advanced or 1 to 2 teeth retarded.

You can install your distributer anywhere,any tooth you want,it really does not make a difference,just need to have room for the vacuum canister to move w/out hitting the engine/lifter cover.

Sounds like your TDC mark is incorrect,I'd suggest to find the true TDC again.

MBHD

I haven't been on here much since June or so. At the beginning of June a friend convinced me (after a month of trying) hike Mt. Whitney on Aug 22nd. Mt. Whitney is quite an undertaking for someone that is out of shape, so until last week, most of my free time was spent training for the hike (pics here).

The car was pretty close to being on the road in June, but I was also feeling burnt out and got to the point where I needed some help troubleshooting things.

Vince (http://www.mayedamotorsports.com/) came by a couple of times over the last 3 weeks or so to give me a hand and to check over my work. Sunday I was able to drive the '63 for the first time in about 16 months. I still need to get the exhaust done and there are still a few small things to take care of. I'm very excited though to have it back on the road:
pics/vid here

I hit a bit a bit of a snag (or maybe I should say my fan did).

Pulling into the driveway the other night the 4 bladed mechanical fan I was using barely kissed the bottom lip of the radiator. Unfortunately, it was enough to get it to leak. I dropped the radiator off to be repaired ($20) and installed an 18" flex fan. I have about a 1" of clearance now, but have yet to run it in hot weather to see if it will cool sufficiently.

On another note, the radiator guy told me that the radiator leaked b/c it was put together poorly and that it shouldn't have leaked with that amount of contact.

I believe it hit due to some chassis flex (inclined driveway) and decelerating at the same time. I checked the motor mounts and they had loosened up some, but I don't think this alone wouldn acct for the problem.

If your having that much chassis flex you might need to consider some frame connectors in the near future.

There was only about 1/8 - 1/4 of an inch between the lip that was hit and the fan. Frame connectors are probably a good idea though...

Even if you go with the Bolt-in connectors and not the weld-ins.You'll be happy you did,And wounder why you had not done it before.If you end up flexing the body to much you may not get the doors to open OR close. You can also make your own from 2x2 box and some angel. Not hard to make and you may? save a few bucks over buying premade.

Here are some updated pics and a video

Can see pics but not the video. The link on your site to youtube is not correct ( it is just a youtube link).

Nice work on the car!

Now can see the video! Looks like one happy pooch.
Now that you have driven it and probably broke it in. How does the 292 perform compared to the previous engine? Mileage? Maybe review your specs.