#61857 - 12/02/10 09:55 PM
its turbocharged and now what? help
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Boucher
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Hello All,
Well I have successfully turbocharged an inline 250 in my 1966 GMC SWB pickup. It runs really good and will fry the tires. I also just installed a WC T5 5 speed because I blew up the 3 speed. I am running the factory intake and exhaust manifold with a GN T3 turbo, Holley (hanger18 mod) 350cfm carb, factory points conversion ignition. It starts right up and my boost is set to 10psi.
I feel the engine is worn out. I realized this before I started, mileage unknown. I am getting blow-by from the boost causing oil to shoot out of my oil pan. I believe worn rings
I want to rebuild the engine this winter. My question?
How should I rebuild it? stock specs?, possibly forged pistons?, better head gasket? Different cam?
Would I benefit by running a OFFY intake?
Would you get a HEI and lock it out?
I wanted your opinion.
Thanks,
Shad in Nashville
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#61859 - 12/03/10 05:32 AM
Re: its turbocharged and now what? help
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tlowe #1716
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Shad, Here are my answers to some of your questions.
How should I rebuild it? stock specs?, possibly forged pistons?, better head gasket? Different cam?
Would I benefit by running a OFFY intake?
Would you get a HEI and lock it out?
Bore it the minimum needed. Get forged, turbo type pistons. Use a Felpro 1025 head gasket and ARP head studs. There are lots of cam choices. Small RV style will work good, but custom ground cams are available. A offy intake would help, but a Clifford would help more. Rework the head. Minimum 1.84/ 1.6 valves and port the head. Lumps will also help. Use a rebuilt HEI with working timing, devise a vac can to pull timing when under boost and apply timing when in vac.
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#61860 - 12/03/10 05:42 AM
Re: its turbocharged and now what? help
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fingersix
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Shad,any engine pics, to see your setup,,
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#61863 - 12/03/10 06:31 AM
Re: its turbocharged and now what? help
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Mean buzzen half dozen A.K.A. Hank
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Shad,any engine pics, to see your setup,, X2
Need pics. Corteco, is supposed to make head gasket for our engines. Contact them or Mike Kirby, if they are available. Personally I do not like the overbore which the Felpro gasket has. 4.125" bore IIRC"
Need to add breathers to your valve cover to reduce the blow by.
I had the same problem,not as bad, when I was only running 8-9 psi of boost pressure. The stock PCV & stock valve cover breather is not enough to relieve the excess crank case pressure.
An offy will be able to go to boost faster, better response,& better than a Clifford IMO. Stock manifold, restrictive because of adaptor 2 to 1 barrel. The GN turbo,is probably really a bit on the small side ,but will work. There 3 bolt inlet is a bit restrictive @ higher larger boost levels. Forged pistons, always a good choice when turbo or blower charging. Will add more later.
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#61866 - 12/03/10 07:52 AM
Re: its turbocharged and now what? help
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copo-rat
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Shad,any engine pics, to see your setup,,
x3! Great truck man! Would love to see some engine pics as well. Would like a rundown of your whole set up also......PM it or post it here if you want.
Man that truck is bada$$!
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#61870 - 12/03/10 09:05 AM
Re: its turbocharged and now what? help
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Boucher
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Thanks Inliners! I have really fallin for these engines. I love the simplicity and the fact that their motion does not horizontally oppose.
There are some pics of the setup. It is quite rough in appearance. It is fully functioning. My plan was to design, fab and get running. Then rebuild, clean and dress up.
I will try to post more details in another reply.
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#61885 - 12/03/10 08:10 PM
Re: its turbocharged and now what? help
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Boucher
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The FP reg is a modified Holley, seen in the pics below.
I am actually running the original fuel pump, it pushes 7psi all day long. I probably need to upgrade and regulate it.
My J-pipe is 2" and actually runs between the motor mount and the inner fender. That was the only way I could get a nice clean sweep and mount the turbo completely vertical.
The MSD BTM box would be nice.
Enjoy!
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#61886 - 12/03/10 08:35 PM
Re: its turbocharged and now what? help
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Mean buzzen half dozen A.K.A. Hank
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Boucher, thanks for the pics, I am sure the kid & others can learn from your pics. I discuss these types of mods to do, but w/no pics,some guys can't picture or imagine what I am talking about.
So if you have more pics of your install & mods, keep them comming!
Did you take out the heat riser valve?
I might be a bit concerned about any debree or metal disloging fron that valve area. It could wipe out your turbine wheel.
10 psi is a bit much for cast pistons, no intercooler, no methanol injection, on pump gas, what octane fuel are you using? Not impossible,just be carefull.
I built an 80 VW 8.5:1 1.8 liter Scirocco years ago that ran up to 20 psi on 91 octane,but it had a Renault fuego intercooler.
BTW, you do need to uprade your fuel pump,or run a boost referenced line to it,7 psi from the fuel pump & 10 psi of boost,something aint right there. LOL
I take it you have the nitrofil (SP) plastic Holley float?
MBHD
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#61913 - 12/04/10 09:38 PM
Re: its turbocharged and now what? help
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Mean buzzen half dozen A.K.A. Hank
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You boost referenced the mechanical fuel pump as well, right?
http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/instructions/pax-1001839%282%291.pdf pg 17 Boucher, I would not lock out the timing on your HEI when you install it. I doubt you will be able to run 30+ something degrees total while boosting.+ starting will be a pain. If you mean lock it w/low timing say 20 degrees,then worse mileage,different ways to set-up your dizzy. I would limit the total advance it can provide mechanically. Run a bit more initial timeing,alloweable w/out detonation.
A lot of people do not recommend an intercooler @ low boost levels,I always recommend one.If you can install a product or item that can reduce intake temps,, do it, especially when forced induction is involved. Low buget items I mostly look for low budget builds & the low priced intercoolers from ebay fit that bill,Example: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/CXRacing-...sQ5fAccessories most are made in China,they seem to work fine & have an assortment of sizes. Also, they sell universal intercooler plumbing kits for low$$,,,look for the thicker walled tubing,mandrel bends w/rolled beads already done. Example: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/CXRacing-...sQ5fAccessories With most of these kits,the clamps & silcone hose are a bit cheap,but for low boost will work fine. Methanaol injection I also recommend,especially when not running an intercooler,+ you will make more power,it will supper chill your intake temps. http://alkycontrol.com/ http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Alkycontr...sQ5fAccessories top notch kits,others will work also. Lowest priced I have seen: http://www.alcohol-injection.com/universal-stage-1-8.html
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#61990 - 12/08/10 09:00 AM
Re: its turbocharged and now what? help
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Boucher
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Hank! you are going to get me right. I love it.
I am a bit confused on the boost referenced fuel part. I am going to upgrade my factory fuel pump to a high flow one. After that, do I need to boost ref the fuel pump (as listed by the paxton pdf) or is the FPR reference doing the same thing?
Here is a link to my photos of my build. Enjoy! http://picasaweb.google.com/shadmeier/JEDTurboHuffer#
I did most of my research from reference books and the website turboforums.com. I first educated myself on the process of turbocharging and then applied to my situation. I am just glad I started with an engine that has a large error margin.
I am meeting with a local engine builder today to go over the freshen up/rebuild.
JED
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#62574 - 01/07/11 07:12 PM
Re: its turbocharged and now what? help
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Boucher
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the engine is pulled!
Damn, it takes to long to prep for the removal and the actual removal was all of about 5 minutes. I went ahead and bought a engine load leveler and it worked awesome. With me doing the job by myself, it help out tremendously. On to the next step.
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#62691 - 01/16/11 05:00 AM
Re: its turbocharged and now what? help
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Boucher that all looks good. I'd like to know what increase you felt or otherwise noticed when you put the Turbo on? Better milage? More power? Run smoother? Any difference at all?
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#62890 - 01/24/11 06:05 PM
turbocharged and now what?FORGED SLUGS are here!
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Boucher
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I got these in today. They are a set of old stock TRW L2289F .030 over forged flat top pistons. I am so pumped. Thanks again to Puerto Rico Rob!
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#62891 - 01/24/11 06:47 PM
Re: turbocharged and now what?FORGED SLUGS are here!
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tlowe #1716
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Good score on hard to find forged pistons!
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#62917 - 01/25/11 01:50 PM
Re: turbocharged and now what?FORGED SLUGS are here!
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tlowe #1716
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I think those pistons use bigger rings (thicker). Aren't they 5/64, 5/64 and 3/16 ? Plasma Moly top ring and conventionals elseware. Tom
Try this http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/HASTINGS-...=item43a48dc66f
Same company also has a cheaper set of moly rings listed.
Edited by tlowe #1716 (01/25/11 01:55 PM)
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#62923 - 01/25/11 03:53 PM
Re: turbocharged and now what?FORGED SLUGS are here!
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TRW lists that piston as follows: 1.655" CD .073" cup ring stack: 1/16, 1/16, 3/16"
The L2396F (250 truck): 1.655" CD .073" cup ring stack: 5/64, 5/64, 3/16"
The L2314F (8.5:1 307") is slightly different: 1.672" CD no cup ring stack: 5/64, 5/64, 3/16"
The L2272F (12.5:1 racing 307"): 1.675" CD .450" dome ring stack: 1/16, 1/16, 1/8"
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#62925 - 01/25/11 04:16 PM
Re: turbocharged and now what?FORGED SLUGS are here!
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tlowe #1716
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Good information. I have used the 2314F and thought they used the same rings.
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