#68259 - 01/24/12 08:41 PM
Re: 4200 Vortec, but is it worth it?
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Whitedog
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Try going to Copart's website. They have tons of wrecked TB's and Envoy's. You may have to have a broker bid for you. You can probably get one for under a grand. After you gut the drivetrain, you can haul the rest away for scrap and get some money back.
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#68261 - 01/25/12 05:48 AM
Re: 4200 Vortec, but is it worth it?
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limequat
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Copart is a good idea.
It's tough to find a good 2006+ locally, but there's all kinds of 2005s on car-part.com. They start under $500, and a lot of yards will freight engines. Throw in $100 for freight and a couple hundred for accessories, you should be able to get a fully dressed 2005 to your door for $800-$900. Ebay often has even better deals. Don't know what your budget is, but I would say the premium that you pay for the 2006 is worth it. When I bought mine, it was about a $200 premium over the 05.
Pan is no problem. Buy or make, as you alluded. Wiring is no problem. If it's scary, check out my free wiring guide. If it's still scary, send it to me and I'll send you back a ready-to-go system and flashed PCM for $499.
The biggest problem with these swaps is clearance. If you got a big bay it's almost plug and play.
I keep doing and re-doing the math, building up the 250 vs. swapping in the 4.2, and every time the numbers come up in favor of the 4.2.
Oil pan doesn't bother me. Limequat's Supra build illustrates that well enough. Doesn't seem like that big of a deal.
Wiring harness could be ugly, but again referencing Limequat's build, doesn't seem that horrible. Certainly not bad enough to make a fella throw in the towel.
I have my eyes out for a local donor. They must be pretty popular, or in low supply around here, because the ones that end up in the junkyard are stripped bare in a matter of days. When I say stripped bare, I mean down to the body shell. These people aren't leaving a scrap. I've never even got a sniff at a motor, yet.
Thanks for the link to those pics, Beater. Would be cool if we could get some shots of the frame/crossmember mods and engine mounts. That's what I'd really like to see on that turbo firebird build.
Found a fair looking LT1 in the classifieds. Was tempted for about 0.6 seconds. Too easy. 350 Camaros are more common than dog exhaust.
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#68262 - 01/25/12 05:51 AM
Re: 4200 Vortec, but is it worth it?
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limequat
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Pretty soon, we'll have a variety of turbo 4.2s coming on line. We all know Marc and Jeff's beats, and I can think of atleast 4 more in the works. Once people see the 400 RWD HP dynos with junkyard parts, there's gonna be a line at the door. Get yours now while the gettin's good
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#68264 - 01/25/12 07:08 AM
Re: 4200 Vortec, but is it worth it?
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Whitedog
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Is it possible to do a head swap from the later models with an earlier one? Since there seem to be plenty of the early ones out there, this may be an option for someone down the road. I'm guessing part of the supply problem with the later ones, is that they are still in service. An insurance company is more likely to fix a car with 50k on it vs. 100k.
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#68266 - 01/25/12 09:21 AM
Re: 4200 Vortec, but is it worth it?
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Gabbyp #865
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Limequat, I went to your web site and all it said was the domain name was reqistered with no info. How do I get to your web site
Edited by Gabbyp #865 (01/25/12 09:24 AM)
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#68297 - 01/26/12 06:53 AM
Re: 4200 Vortec, but is it worth it?
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Whitedog
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Do you guys have dyno numbers from your swaps? I see the chart above, and it's great for a stock comparison, but I'd like to seem some before and after turbo/supercharger numbers.
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#68316 - 01/27/12 07:03 AM
Re: 4200 Vortec, but is it worth it?
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Whitedog
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Basically, I was just wondering how skewed the factory numbers were. 250 and the rear wheels, tells me they're probably good numbers. Getting 250 to the rear wheels is nothing to skoff at either. I suspect, the earlier engines won't pull off quite as good of numbers, but the 291 hp models only best them over 5000 rpm. The 270 hp models more than make up for the top end hp, with off idle torque. A good tune, free flowing exhaust, and modified air intake, should push either engine over the 300 mark, the way I see it.
Now, 510 hp at the wheels is totally cool. What is that 575-600 at the flywheel? I'm assuming that's with pump gas too. For most people, that's probably a little excessive, but I'm guessing you're never satisfied. Given those numbers though, if someone were to turbo a stock motor, I'm guessing 400 hp at 5-7 psi boost is pretty relistic.
Anyway, good job guys!
EFI-DIY> I like you're quote at the end of your post. It's too bad our politicians don't think think that way.
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#68488 - 02/07/12 03:25 PM
Re: 4200 Vortec, but is it worth it?
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DivMechDes
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I'd like to throw a little something at this thread:



Corey
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#68490 - 02/07/12 06:12 PM
Re: 4200 Vortec, but is it worth it?
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DivMechDes
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Beater,
I do make them. I plan to sell them. I have fit it to my engine that I am swapping into an '83 Jeep J10 Truck. I am working with a guy who does 4200 swaps into Land Cruisers. I am going to ship it to him to test fit for his application.
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#68492 - 02/07/12 06:37 PM
Re: 4200 Vortec, but is it worth it?
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mike 53-210
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How deep is the pan?
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#68495 - 02/07/12 07:24 PM
Re: 4200 Vortec, but is it worth it?
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DivMechDes
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About this deep:
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#68529 - 02/11/12 08:25 AM
Re: 4200 Vortec, but is it worth it?
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DivMechDes
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Flyer,
I am thinking of doing a few different stock configurations as well as offering to build custom shapes based on needs.
Thanks for the tip on the drain plug. I'll keep that in mind.
Corey
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#68580 - 02/14/12 08:12 AM
Re: 4200 Vortec, but is it worth it?
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DivMechDes
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Sorry, Beater... I did not see this post immediately.
At present, the price for the pan is $550 US. This does not include shipping. This will include the pan in the configuration shown above without the oil level sensor step. Mounting for the AC bracket is included. I am working on an inspection cover to include in the package for the same price. I have not worked out a dipstick solution yet, but have an idea in mind.
Lead time is 2 weeks but may decrease based on future production volume.
Thanks,
Corey
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#68590 - 02/14/12 01:09 PM
Re: 4200 Vortec, but is it worth it?
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NOX
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That's a nice looking pan. Your welding is light-years beyond mine, for sure!
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#68592 - 02/14/12 03:56 PM
Re: 4200 Vortec, but is it worth it?
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DivMechDes
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Thanks, NOX... I have a secret weapon.
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#68714 - 02/22/12 01:41 PM
Re: 4200 Vortec, but is it worth it?
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k5carrillo
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Do you have a similar dimensional comparison to the 194/230/250/292?
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