Inliners International Forums General Discussion Hi Performance 292, looking for options/opinions

There are several guys over on the 4200 forum running in the 11's in the 1/4, one is 11.26 in a Camaro, and Marc at an 11.60 with his truck, and one guy an 11.88 N/A and quite a few in the 12's. There just isn't any discussion of it here so I guess people think no one is using these engines but Marc. There is actually more going on with those engines out in the public than we realize.

That is good to know.

I don't know why people do not like to post there times here.

Unless its a street racing vehicle & needs to be hush hush.

If I were to constantly push to do a 4.2 swap with the 4.2 engines here on this forum, I would definitely let people know what I personally run & others.

Need proof of times & videos, not just talk.
Post away with pics, vids, etc.

MBHD

They have plenty of videos over there and proof of their performance. Just go over there and look for it. You can browse their threads without having to join.
4200 forums

What's the point of swapping in a 4200? Might as well swap in an LS.

I don't care that it's an inline engine. That's not the point. As I said above I had a 3.2L inline pushing 300 hp/tq and I'd never think of putting it into a classic car. That misses the point of having a classic completely.

How about an S54 BMW engine? 350hp/ft-lbs out of a 3.2L. Why not slap that in? Because it's not a classic engine.

Inliners International, in an effort to appeal to a larger base (i.e., younger gear heads) has embraced all inline engines in their mission statement, whether they be antique or modern technology. They even allow records to be held in their classes, with a "contemporary engine" denotation to accompany their times.

I realize that change may not sit well with purists but it was deemed necessary to remain a viable entity. Otherwise II could go the way of Buggy Whip Advocates International as our roster ages and dies off.

I sort of see it that way also.
I took on the inline 250 6 just to see if the under dog six can keep up if not beat a lot of V-8's.

I think guys in general want to have something different & run an inline 6 instead of the "Norm" V-8 engine.

But if you are wanting to run as fast & as practical (money wise) an Atlas 4.2 is not the way to go.
An LS series engine is what makes sense.

Sure ,some are doing an 4.2 engine to be able to run a certain class of racing, but I think others just want something different.

MBHD

Seeing a 6 cylinder in my year of trucks is very rare. I try to encourage anyone who is considering a 6 cylinder to go with the dream....but normally that slaughtered by a ton of v8 guys. lol You think they're getting upset that a buzzin half dozzin is capable of making the v8 look like a 4 banger? lol Sometimes I wonder to be honest...

The point is that it keeps it inline powered and is the logical step forward in hotrodding. Just like the Stovebolt guys that swapped out their anemic 216 or 235 for the more powerful GMC 6 cylinder or even later more modern 250 or 292. Even if your not out to set any records or rip up the pavement with awesome power, the early hotrodder often realized that it was more economical and smarter to just swap in a more modern powerplant than to spend more rebuilding his current engine and ending up with less. The Atlas engine is also the natural step forward just as it was back in the Stovebolt days. You actually get so much more for less than if you built or rebuilt the older vintage engines. Nothing wrong with keeping the old engine in place, just realize there are better options even down to the guy that just want's better mileage or dependability with computer controlled electronics and hands off driveability.

Lets see some pics!!!!!!

No body here has seen this elusive 4.2 in your truck. Time slips, videos etc.
Only work in progress pics IIRC.

Did it get a complete revamp?

MBHD

If that's the case then swap in an LS.

Or even better...swap in a cummins.

That's what I am seeing TJ.

At my home track guys are showing up with 6000 pound Cummins powered Ram trucks tweaked to run TENS! and brats with turbo tuner four cylinder Civics and Colts running NINES! on test-n-tune nights.

Those guys are not that far removed from the crazy-assed kids of decades ago that decided to embrace their old stovebolts instead of hopping on the OHV V8 bandwagon.

Its a big world - there's room for all,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKc_U_Q2s-o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3AXBW8Bgf4

MBHD

Thought about a cummins 5.9 for my 66, but went with the 6 banger cause I had already started dumping money into the project. lol Plus I have another truck for the cummins swap so i'm good here. lol

All that Chevelle needs now is a jake brake!

It should also be noted that no thread or post here is required reading. If you see something that might upset you, you are free to pass it by. If you decide to take a chance and read it anyway and it twists you boxers just man up and move on. We don't all have to agree and we don't all have to have the same goals. The "point" is not the same for all of us. We use our engines and vehicles for different purposes. No one has to prove anything to any body. The common link is Inline engines. Variety is the spice............

I don't think anyone is offended here (certainly not me). Just pointing out that if top-end power is the concern no inline 6 is the answer.

...unless you're going with a 2JZ single turbo...

It took 40 years before the Ford V8s finally ended the dominance of the antiquated Offy inline fours in the Indy 500.

Just sayun'...

Yes but we're already 40 years past 1975...

I guess the point I'm making is that if someone wanted to make big power then they wouldn't likely be here. Can you make an old 6 fast? Yep. Is that why I have one? Nope. I decided to keep mine in my camaro because it's different. It's old. It smells bad. Only a handful of people still have them in their Camaros.

If I thought about going with a 4200 I'd probably think a whole lot more about going with a 350 or LS.

Inline 6 isn't the answer for top end power? lol This one make 1000 hp at 8000 rpm. Just sayin. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7rCGda4Ab8

...and a blown LSX can be built to do 2,000 hp.

...but that's not the point here, is it?

How about a blown 350 SBC? You can make one that'll put out 1,500 hp.

Maybe a 2JZ? http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/modified-toyota-supra-drag-racing-record-2014-10-23

But at that point we're probably well beyond the means (or aspirations) of 99% of us.

And another point,not necessarily "the point", Is that a few years ago a new design inline 6 cylinder came on the scene. Guys like Marc saw that it had great potential and started trying to develop it. They made the parts they needed because none were available. They brought their findings and enthusiasm here because this is a site dedicated to Inline engines. They were largely greeted with "It's ugly, It has too much computer stuff. It won't fit. etc. " They kept at it and now there are cams. tranny adapter, pan, simpler wiring, mounts, and lots of experience and tested information. They still get the same old same old every time a 4.2 is mentioned. Kinda; like bringing up a 194 head.

How similar is their work to that of Horning, Fisher, McGurk, Self, Sissell, Kirby and others that helped develop the more "traditional" engines. It's really the beginning for these. The 4.2 belongs here because it is an inline engine. The V engines don't and aren't so it doesn't matter how much power they can make. The comparison should be to other inlines. If you don't like them that's OK, but they are here and they belong. I like my flintlock too but I probably won't grab it when the bad guys show up. Tradition deserves respect but modern has some advantages.

I think all this "point/counterpoint" sparring is healthy for the forum. And congratulations to all the participants for keeping things civil and avoiding personal attacks.

I think you really hit on something. Personal, that is exactly why we are here, that is how we choose our engines and what we use them for. It is all a personal choice and therefore we often take challenges or criticisms very personally. There really are not a lot of other reasons to be an Inliner other than some personal decision. It certainly couldn't be based on logic.

Great!!!

Lets start talking about the 194 head.

MBHD

Truth be told...you can't compare the inline 6 to the v8...two entirely different engines that were made to serve two different purposes. If it wasn't for poor head design the inline engine would have been a v8 threat from the get go. Just lump porting the head and installing sbc valves is over a 30 hp bolt on. Add more lift and better pistons and yer over 100 hp add on. But like all inliner's should know...the 6 cylinder was made for low end power and the v8 for mid rang and top end. And unfortunately it cost a lot to hop up an inline but imop its worth the smile after.

Hank there is at least one 194 head in the stuff I hauled home yesterday. I guess I should have just left it but Dave said I had to take everything. I can use it to hold the tarp down that covers the good parts.

Great!
Mark my words, now that people know you have a small chamber 194 head, you are going to be contacted about selling it.


MBHD

I've had one for several years but I was afraid to tell anyone. I've kept it hidden and never told anyone, but now with two I can use them for bookends. I almost sent you a PM once but I wasn't sure I could trust you to keep my secret.

I believe I know someone who wants one now.
Should I send him your way?

MBHD

Sure, Why not? I'm out of the closet now.

You got a 194 head? Now I am jealous! lol

I'll start the bidding...

THREE cast iron, crossflow, 12 port Blue Oval experimental prototypes...

It's about time you came out.

Ok, The guys name is Ray & his would like to know the cost of the head plus shipping to zip code 33583.


Thanks

MBHD

Methinks I know of whom you're speaking... Does it float?

Regardless I still say he's going the wrong way on it. Should get a cam and bigger carb and do some head work. I don't think he can do much if anything on the intake and exhaust.

...but a nice bottle would fit in his rig...

[quote=gbauer

Regardless I still say he's going the wrong way on it. Should get a cam and bigger carb and do some head work. I don't think he can do much if anything on the intake and exhaust.

...but a nice bottle would fit in his rig... [/quote]

I hate to go & put a larger camshaft w/out being able to bump up the compression up a bit.
With the factory tolerances, most would be lucky to have 8.5:1.
More likely has 8.0:1
The guy does not want to put different pistons in the engine.

Just a bolt on a compression increase, enter the 194 cyl head!!!

This is an easy way to bump up the compression.

I would install 1.85" intake valves , 1.6" exhaust valves, mild port job.

Hate to repeat myself , but when I ran a 194 head, it was by far best my car ever ran naturally aspirated.

Other guys have set records when running a 194 head.

Not bragging mind you, my car ran 14.3 (which I feel is slow) in the 1/4 mile @ 3000+ ft altitude track, with a 10:0 compression large chamber head, Clifford headers, wide ratio Muncie 4 speed trans, Clifford intake & 4 BBL carb, & 4:10 rear gears.

I later switched a shaved down 194 cyl head, ran 12:0 compression ratio, each cyl had 220-230 psi of cranking compression, I also later switched to 3 DCOE 48 MM Webers, & installed a TH350 trans w/a 3500 stall converter.

With that combo, it ran 13 seconds in the 1/4 with a 4 BBL intake & also with the DCOE's, but much better authority & better fuel distribution with the DCOEs.

A nitrous system works great also, would not recommend one in an engine with cast pistons though.

I just got tired of getting the bottles refilled constantly.
It get's old pretty fast IMO.


MBHD

Do you have the chrome reversed fleberhousing gaskets that go with those or are they extra?

That is a long way to ship a cast iron head. There have to be some closer that here.

[quote=Beater of the PackThat is a long way to ship a cast iron head. There have to be some closer that here. [/quote]

There probably is but he cant seem to find them?


MBHD