Inliners International Forums General Discussion Bench racing Rumor

I guess You Guys de-sided to Remove the topic Huh
Seeing It was not a Rumor after all HUH.

I can vouch for what Larry is saying as I was included in the list of people that received Mike Kirby's letter of resignation from Inliners International. I think those running this Club and Site should be more up front in dealing with both Club members and BB members. Removing posts while ignoring the truth doesn't fix anything.

Mike kirby is??? Wonder why hes leaving

Here you go lowboygmc. He's probably the most highly revered Chevy 6 guru on the planet. He also is one of the manufacturers of the aluminum 12 Port Head for the 250-292 engines.

Sissell Automotive

Thanks i have bought parts from hom seemed like a cool dude was willing to help with anyquestions and the parts i bought were of quality

Hows your foundry scott

Mr. Kirby and I had a fairly frank conversation about the direction our build was going and the builds he's done in the past. He's tremendously helpful and actually gave me the time of day which I really appreciated.

He is also an inductee into the Inliners International Hall of Fame as was Leo Santucci who also recently separated himself from the club.

Yeah it is sad that is how they have Handled Many things over the yrs. Sweep it under the rug and hope it goes away Or fix's itself. Which we all know vary well only makes for a Bigger Bump to try and fix.

Maybe the letter should come to the front.

Larry, sometimes the solutions to problems are just this easy!

I am not sure why I was on the list of those who received the letter. It may have been a mistake or it may have been because I am still listed as a moderator here. Rich got it too. I do not feel comfortable posting the letter because it mostly deals with issues Mike has with a club that I no longer belong to. I don't think some of it should be discussed here at all as it really is not about the club or the BB.

I wish that those who make decisions for Inliners International were more open to concerns of the members. I wish issues were dealt with openly. I wish problems between members could be handled before they get out of hand. I wish that someone who expresses and dissenting view was not dealt with as an enemy. I wish this club and web site was a comfort zone for all who share the passion of inline engines. But, if wishes were horse power…..

Well Put beater. But it may OR may not ?? Inform Others as to why So many are Now Leaving after SO Many Long Years Put Into this Club. Maybe also time for a Upper Chain Of command to be changed along with Rules.

Getting people to step up and take on the job is not easy. I don't know of anyone actually campaigning for any of the positions. It seems that most organizations eventually wear out the willing. It's a lot more fun to attend an event than to run it. I'm glad there are those who do it. Some are just better at it than others.

Suggestion #1. Hall Of Fame induction should be a posthumous honor, that way a lifetime of achievement could be more accurately assessed and they wouldn't get pissed and leave. Two problems solved.

As I see it, if a person who doesn't like what is happening they can do one of two things. One quit walk away and shut up and not make things worst for the club. Or become active member in the club, go to the convention and run for Office and change things.

For most members this is a social club, for the fun of it. To interact with people of with the same passion for "INLINE ENGINES". They want to learn about what other Inliners are doing and how they are doing it. Not everybody is into Drag racing or Bonneville racing or Circle tack racing, but just like to cruise with their six cylinders with dual exhaust.

The Upper Chain of Command is all volunteers who put in many hours of work for no pay and are doing the best that they can. And no matter what they do or what the out come is they are DAMMED if they do and they are DAMMED if they don't.

Not everybody is going to like each other or get along or have the same way of doing something. That doesn't make everybody right or wrong in this social setting.

If you don't like the Upper Chain of Command quit crying like a spoiled little kid, plan on being an active member of the club. Go to the convention next year present your suggestion for changes. Run for offices. If your not willing to be active, vote for changes then you don't have a right to complain.

That my thoughts, like them or not.

That is a very good suggestion Beater. Do the current living inductees need to forfeit the honor until their lifetime achievements until they pass on so they can be fully assessed and scrutinized.

Not true! Some are volunteers, but a few of the Upper Chain are payed positions.

53chevy,
thank you!!
ok been pondering this for days here goes!
I have been a member of the Bulletin Board for several more years than I have been a member of the club and have always liked coming to this site but lately a few people have made it more like another site where the bashing etc. is the norm. That' s fine for that site but not this one. The first I had ever heard of of this deal with Tom was when A member posted it here on the forum a few months ago(Almost a year after the convention and Hall of Fame Induction)I am sure there are other members and new members that Had no idea what went on 10 or so years ago.
When the HoF nominees were posted in the 12Port news and sent out to the Board members to my knowledge No One publicly or privately made known any objections to those on the ballot.Furthermore when voted on said member was voted in by majority vote by the Board of directors and Admin wether they knew of said issue or not.Members had a chance to voice their objections yet no one stood up so why be chummin the waters over this now??
This is how I see Sissels' resignation letter...He does have some valid points and out of respect to him He should be the only one posting his letter publicly if he chose to do so not anyone else!
Take this however you want but yes there are some problems but we need to work together to solve them, not in the way that has been shown lately. In both of the letters of resignation fingers have been pointed at the board of directors for several things over the years,With that said Twisted was a Chapter head at one time which made him on the board of directors the same as myself and before I was so in actaulity the person making the waves is just as much to blame as myself in the letters, Am I correct in this??
We cannot expect that the meeting of the board every couple of years at a convention will help resolve new and past issues.It has been brought up that we need to have regions set up and scheduled meetings for the Board members in those regions a couple of times a year to discuss pending issues and work to make changes for the betterment of the club as a whole.With that those Regional heads need to meet with the President and Vice President at least yearly. I believe this one step in bringing the club together and keep everyone in the loop. Twisted you are voicing your opinions and concerns on here, they may not be the best demeanor for all to see but the Florida chapter is without a Chapter head at this time might I suggest you step back up to the helm and and take action to make changes in a constructive way not a destructive way. You may find that others are willing to work with you on that. and thats my .02

Rich, the most recent actions in question that Mike Kirby pointed out by the member being inducted into the HoF weren't discovered until after he was inducted into this position. That being said, if this had been known prior to his selection, i'm sure people would have opposed it as vehemently as they are now. Which raises a point that has been discussed by some of the officers of that of a code of ethics and morals for its members to be accountable too.

I don't think we here have enough information to fairly discuss anyones inclusion in the Hall of Fame. I don't think anyone should be made to defend himself in a court of public opinion and I would ask that no further names be brought up here. I feel that the issue here is that two guys in the HoF left. I'm not sure what reasons one gave but I know from the letter that the HoF issue was only the last straw for Mike Kirby.

Part of his reason concerned the lack of timely attention to advertising he paid for and promises that were not kept. To me this ties to the lack of timely updates on this BB and in the 12 Port news. As a point, his letter was sent to a past chapter head in our case and I'm sure the club was informed of the change about a year ago.

As far as the Hall of Fame is concerned it is a list of names of people that another group of people chose to honor for something. It does not mean that everything they ever did was note worthy. It is not the semifinals for "The Most Important Inliner Ever" award. Those included do not have to be a team or even like each other. One name does not add to or diminish another. They are simply names on a list.

Finally since the BB membership now shows 5908 registered users and only 8 have posted on this topic and the original one I think it is time to let this on go. It doesn't seem to be important to many.

Gee Tom, You finally said something that makes sense.

Finally?? I guess it's your turn now. Go on, give it a shot I bet you can do it.

Thank you : Tom, Luke, and Rich.

Finger pointing, rumors, and ugly comments are not the way to make progress. (look at Congress)

Scott is right in that officers are paid - Their dues are comped in recognition of their efforts. While it may be said that some don't earn their pay, most officers put in a lot of time and money out of their own pockets to fulfill their responsibilities.


Will Willis

I sure hope this is resolved i don't know much on it or many on the people involved but it worries me about this organization cause its appears to be getting way out f ha d