Inliners International Forums General Discussion Engines head casting #3895056.... anybody have details?

Have a few engines in the shop. One is a 1967 194 from a nova, since it is too small for the project I am currently working on, thought I would use the head on a 292 that I have to see if the ol' 194 head on a 292 trick might up the performance a bit. But I can't find anything on the 194 casting number to determine if it's any different than any of the other heads I have laying around. Does anybody have any info on this casting? My google searches have come up dry. Thanks.

Does the 194 head combustion chamber look smaller than the other heads?

http://www.inliners.org/casting/numbers.html

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MBHD

Haven't taken it off 194 engine yet, just took off valve cover to check casting # and to see if it would be worthwhile. The 194 is a good runner and I don't plan on keeping it around. Would rather sell it off as a runner if the head isn't going to do me any favors. Thanks for the link, I checked that one and the other head casting number chart before posting......no info. just question marks....

http://www.inliners.org/tech/heads/headindex.htm

Are you sure it is a 194? It could vary well be a 230. But those numbers come up for 79-90 which Could be??? a 250-292 casting. But that is not right either Because those years would have been a inter-grated head. So I would say pull the head and check the chamber.

yep, I'm pretty sure it's a 194. Came out of a '67 Nova and has a '67 date code.

block Date code: D287
Block Casting#: 3879875

I'm on the fence out pulling it. will post up my findings here if I do. Thanks.

IMO,
if it is a 194 CI engine, it's not a desirable engine to have.

It is worth less than a 230 or a 250, running or not, complete or apart.

It's not like you can get $1000 for a complete engine compared to a an engine with the head taken off & get only $100

You would be lucky to get a couple hundred dollars complete running.

JMO.

MBHD

If it has a small chamber head, then that is the only real value on the 194 engine.

I do not know how many 67 Nova's came with a 194, but I believe a standard baseline 67 Nova was the 230 engine, but like I said, I do not know or follow the production numbers of those Nova"s.

If it was a 62-63 Nova I think those were more abundant of having a 194 engine?

The most I ever paid for a complete running 250 was $20.00

The last complete 250 running engine I got 2 yrs ago I got it for free.

Most people just are happy for you to pick up that lame (in there mind) inline 6 & get it out of their sight.

I wouldn't expect to get any more than a couple hundred out of it, but if I take the head off a runner, then couple hundred quickly drops to scrap value or boat anchor, and I'd hate to see it go that route, unless I was fairly sure I was going to use the head. I will likely do it anyway. The head is certainly in better condition than any of the other heads I have (at least from what I can tell from under the VC. I'll likely pull it if I feel up to it tonight or tomorrow. We will see what we've got and maybe somebody can update that chart with the info.

Ok. I came home from work and pulled the head on the 194 engine. (It is definitely a 194, has bore size of 3.56") I compared it to another head that I had off that came off a '77 chevy 292. The chambers do look to be smaller than the 292 one and the valves appear to be either the same size or extremely close in size. I couldn't get my calipers down in the combustion chamber of the 194 heads to get a definite measurement due to the smaller CC. I put pictures at these links. 194 head is on the left. The one with some rust scale is the 292 head.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b117/hotrodderguy/big%20roadster/20150721_180200_zpsgs05zqik.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b117/hotrodderguy/big%20roadster/20150721_180208_zpsgfrehn2m.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b117/hotrodderguy/big%20roadster/20150721_180215_zpsura6dusy.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b117/hotrodderguy/big%20roadster/20150721_180302_zps4hpgmnsl.jpg


Here's some other weird stuff (maybe). The 292 head pictured, I believe is the stock 1977 292 head based on comparison to the date code of the head and block. The casting number 331184 is not listed in any of the charts I have seen as being used on 292.

I found a similar issue with the other 1965 292 that I have. It also has close date codes between the block and heads and its head casting number (3864886) is not listed as being used with the 292.

The other engine I have is a 250 out of a 1967 Nova. I was a factory option motor. I'm positive that the head is the original head to the engine because the car's history has been extremely well documented and the original owner even still has the dealership window sticker listing the options. The head on it has a casting 3895054. I can't even find that casting listed anywhere.

So maybe some powers that be could do some updating on those casting number charts.....

My other question is: did the 194 engines in 1967 all have flat-top pistons?

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b117/hotrodderguy/big%20roadster/20150721_180631_zpsupm75ovp.jpg

I decided I wanted to find out more about the 3895056 casting. I went back out to the garage and mounted the head in the vice where I could CC it and measure the valves with some different instruments. Here's what I found...

The combustion chamber volume is right at 60.3cc (best I could get with my setup and a spark plug in the hole.

Intake Valve is: 1.72"
Exhaust Valve is: 1.5"

I have no idea of year range, but the engine it came off of and the date code of the head are definitely 1967. So at least that could be a starting point.

Beyond CC volume and valve size are there any other differences/characteristics I should look for that might make it more or less desirable for use with the 292?

The 3895054 casting intrigues me. I may end up trying to measure that one out at some point also. We will see...

It sure is a 194 head.

One of the 194 heads I have, the exhaust ports were not completely divided to the mating surface.

Not sure if it make s a big difference, I just did not like that design.

I would use the 194 head to bump up the compression some, or else purchase pricey aftermarket pistons to get whatever compression ratio you want & use a larger chamber head.

Not sure what you are looking to do as far as a build goes?

MBHD

would be interested in knowing the CC on that 3895054 casting as well. The 60.3 is the smallest they had for the 194 head some were a little more.

It's it another runner and the engine from that optioned Nova. I have it on ebay right now. If it doesn't sell soon, curiosity might just get the best of me and I may just crack it open.

Here's a pic of the Casting number so ya'll don't think I'm just makin' it up:
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b117/hotrodderguy/big%20roadster/20150721_195027_zpskqlieeu7.jpg


Here's the block info:
Stamped Partial VIN: F0613PX
Casting #: 3921968
Date Code: F107 (June 10, 1967)

The project is a little weird. And truthfully any increase in compression probably won't be seen or taken advantage of that much anyway. It is mostly a factor about the two best heads that I have happen to be the one off the 194, which I know I won't use the engine for anything, or the other 250. The two 292 heads that I have are not in great shape and to keep costs down for the project I'd rather just use the good heads, lap the valves and throw in some new seals and be done with it.

But to answer you question (you'll be sorry you asked).... I am starting to build an ultra-low budget speedster as a tribute to the early 1900's Vanderbilt Cup cars, Only using more modern components. The project is based on a 1932 chevy 1.5ton truck chassis. I have converted front and rear to juice brakes, body will be quite light and hand-built of wood and minimal sheet-metal. Engine will be a 292 mated to a NV3500 5spd manual overdrive trans and then to a late model locking rear diff out of a 1/2ton truck. Wheelbase is 131". Rear ratio 3.73, tire height 32". Sounds quite big in size, and it is, but the weight will likely be similar to a nova or S10 by the time it's all done.

As for look think 1910's Locomobile, american-lafrance, alco, etc.

The kicker to the whole deal is that as a personal challenge, I am attempting to spend no additional money. All funding is coming from parting out the original chassis I started with, or selling parts I already had laying around the garage, and I try to fabricate or trade for the rest. It's slow going, but more rewarding as a challenge than the other 20 some odd cars I have built, by just buying parts out of catalogs. At this point I have -$2k into it (yes negative). If you put values on the stuff that I have bought with proceeds of sell-offs, I'm actually about $4k into it (at least as far as the title agency will be concerned). I wonder what they would do if I handed them my spread-sheet with the -$2k.....haha

Anyway.... I am still wondering about the Flat-tops in the 194. Hope somebody chimes in on that one.

Yes, 194 came with flat top pistons, that would be the only way to have some compression.

For those who were interested in the CC volume of the 3895054 casting.....

I pulled it off today and cc'ed them. They are of the larger 72cc variety. Nothing special.