Inliners International Forums General Discussion MOPAR Haroer Intakes

That link isn't working for me.

I'll try this, https://photos.app.goo.gl/9ns1PoapmJHfdMrB8 , https://photos.app.goo.gl/tRMALkaFD6kvQcBJ8

Well i can see the first one. I'll see them in person in a couple of weeks. I looks like you have some original linkage on the carb bases. That is good.

The swap meet is moved this year to Baldinis Casino on South Rock, which is right between the Grand Sierra and the Nugget.

If the swap meet is in the parking lot where is the parking?

I have no idea, all I know is I got spaces j&k 26&27 and have no Idea where they are, it's the parking lot by the Burger King and fuel Pavilion.

See you tomorrow!

I talked to Gary at the swap meet Friday. I was able to look at a couple of his Harper setups. The one for the MOPAR is backwards from a Chevy. Not just swapped side to side. He is figuring it all out. They are a cool but complicated piece of equipment.

Way earlier than you might think...

They were already acknowledged as being something special in the mid-fifties and were in use in Formula 1 then.

I have seen a large carburettor of that type (as in the DCOE), made by Solex, which dated back to WW1, presumably off a tank engine or something.

Ray, Thanks for that information. I was thinking of using one on my 1919 Essex four cylinder in a Vintage style speedster.

Might not SUs be more appropriate?

Especially those old ones with the very tall dashpot cover, they came even taller than these...



Note also that postimage are still free for posting pics.

My concern for using a Weber on that app:
1. what does the OEM intake look like?
2. making an adapter
3. $$$, + tuning parts $$
4. who to ask for jetting recco?

Ray, Yes maybe an SU would be better.
Panic,
1. The head has just one intake port.
2.An adapter is not a problem.
3. I doubt that parts would be a major expense. If so there are other options.
4. I'd ask you of course.

I just got a 300 Ford running on my first set of SUs. Admittedly these could use some work but I'm looking forward to fine tuning them on my champ car project.

Here's a video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZQHHJLwwi8&feature=youtu.be

Also, I have a pair of HS3s to sell complete with balance tube. PM me.

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1967/44439780924_693953c0bd_z_d.jpg

Congratulation! That sounds good. Man those things appear to hang way out there. Will they need their own wheels? If two of those run your big Ford then one would do the Essex.

In the picture especially they hang out quite a bit. Since I wanted them to sit closer to the hood I eliminated the equalizer tube and replaced it with one mounted where the two triangular flanges bolt to the top of the manifold, bringing the carbs closer to the hood line, as shown on the video. I have a feeling I'm gonna like these SUs. New to me so I have some larnin' to do.

From an MGB?

One intake port, Beater? Which engine is it you're playing with?

I wouldn't have thought there'd be any ports in heads...

While we're here, these are the longer tops I mentioned... on a '30s MG:



Once again, posted easily and free with Postimage.

They did look different in the video.
Thanks for the picture Ray. I had a pair of Cus on a Morris Minor many years ago and never had a problem with them.

So here's the deal:
1. I'm brand new to this forum, soooo I'll probably screw up or loose my way.
2. I picked up some Harper intakes at a swap meet, polished them, remanufactured 3 Holley 94's, then put the package into my ebay store, ebay #254178582276. As soon as I figure out how to add photos on this forum I'll do so. I have been contacted by one of the forum members who advised using 3 Holley 94's would only result in flooding the engine. Soooo, since I don't want to build the $$$ exotic dual stage linkage required, I thought I might possibly simply install the smallest jets possible (I believe #44's), then make "very slow actuating linkage" that requires a lot of pedal travel ??? I don't know if this would work, OR if I should just sell the 3 intakes and 3 carburetors as separate items ??? Your thoughts please.

W/r/t "using 3 Holley 94's would only result in flooding the engine"
Meaning, too much gas because the carburetors are too large? That means the engine gets too much air and not enough gas.
They're smaller than the frequently used Stromberg 97, only about 115 CFM each @ 1.5" Hg, 163 CFM @ 3.0" Hg.

I agree with Panic, in MHO you'd be better off selling just the intakes unless you want to go through the trouble of sourcing some 97's and splitting the shafts and manufacturing the linkage, Using 94's would flood the engine out. The 97's work because each side (approx. 57 cfm) is introduced at a time per cylinder pair. The 07's also have shafts long enough to split. You might consider selling them on the Inlinders Swap Meet page.

Gary, I missed you this year in Reno. The swap meet was back at the old place and much better than last year. Vic didn't make it this year because he was bent on taking his brother in law to Bonneville. They got out there on Sunday and on Monday Vic laid down for a nap and didn't wake up. He was in a place he loved with someone who cared a lot for him so that was good, but DAMN I miss him.

An old high school friend sent me a package that came today. It was a Harper intake with carbs and some of the linkage. I haven't had time to really check it out but the carbs are Ford maybe Holley. At least one has a split shaft. The main linkage on the center carb is there and some of the others. I'll check it out more tomorrow and try to post some pictures here or at least a link. I may need some help with the missing parts. Did you ever get yours done? I did see a picture of a MOPAR setup on the HAMB. The center piece goes a completely different way.

I took a better look today. The carbs are all Ford. Two are model 59s one says 8BA. None have split throttle shafts. Only part of the center carb linkage is there and two of the four end carb levers. The carbs were probably stuck on to make it look more complete at some point. I'm pretty sure with it info here and that on a few HAMB threads I could make the rest of the linkage. I don't see why the Ford carbs would not work as would some of the Holleys. I have a few 97s as well. I'd need to make less linkage if I set it up for one of my 4 cylinder projects, either the 153 or the '28 Chevy four. The missing part of the center linkage would be the hardest piece.

I didn't make Reno this year, waiting on doctors to decide if they are going to replace my hip and knee, I have pictures of the Mopar Harper somewhere, the main piece you need is the brass linkage on the center intake, it's different from the Chev unit, 97's are the only ones that have long enough shafts so that linkage arms can be attached to both sides. Running it as a tri-power will just result in an over rich situation. Sorry to hear about VIC. I'll look thru my parts, I made some out of billet aluminum.

Good to hear from you I hope your new parts help you be more mobile. My wife got a new knee and she gets around much better.

I compared my center piece to the one in the pictures on the HAMB. It is different. It only works one side, the outside. There is no idle adjustment. There is only one moving part on the center linkage. I'll take pictures tomorrow. I wonder if mine was a race only set that just ran three twos all at once. I did notice that the Ford carbs had no way to put linkage on the inside where the pumps are.

Can't figure out how to upload pix from Google album or Windows album but I have pictures of the Mopar linkage.

Here's some pictures Tom, GM but I'll keep searching for the Mopar stuff
https://photos.google.com/album/AF1QipNjnk7WGHh636oRFSvduOTzoZn-ZqUnWd36d3rw

Gary, That link didn't work for me. I can't post pictures here so I posted pictures of my set on the HAMB. You can just drag them from your desk top or files there.
LINK to Harper Thread

Thanks, those are great.
If you have to fabricate these yourself, the longer the links are (between ends) the less perfect they need to be. Since each side is in the same plane, Heim joints aren't really necessary, but if you use clevises (much cheaper) they have to be a tight fit, any slop delays response.

Okay Tom, posted them on the HAMB

Okay Tom aka Beater of the Pack I managed to upload some photos to the photo library now I have to figure out how to get them here, more pictures to follow.

It's not as easy as it once was. I'll be waiting. The ones on the HAMB are good.

Wow! Just stumbled on this thread. I love what you’ve done here. I’ve thought about fabbing a manifold almost exactly the way you’ve done it. I made one for my 302 with rectangular tube and tube elbows for 2 DGV Weber’s and always regretted not making it for 3 . Splitting and stretching one end of 90 bend is exactly what I thought of doing but you beat me to it. I’m really glad to hear that it performs well throughout the rpm range especially low end. What are you running in the way of cam, drive train, rear ratio and such? I was originally going to put mine in an AD truck but now it’s going in a 48 Chevy 4 door.

A 2 × 2 bbl. manifold has to be common plenum, there's no way to divide front 3 cylinders from rear 3 without a 12 port head.

A 3 × 2 bbl. can be 3 separate manifolds (cylinders 1-2, 3-4 and 5-6) or plenum (typically progressive linkage to run on the center carb first).

How are they different?
the 3 × 2 carburetors have to be much larger.

robertf #3850, GMC Manifold w/Three Weber 32/36s - I have been enjoying a 1940 Chevy Coupe with a mild 302 engine since I rebuilt it in 1990 -92. The cam is an Isky E2 #281222 (Clift .298, Vlift .448, Dur 264, Dur@.050 228, Lash .018). It idles well and pulls well up to about 4500 rpm but it is noisy. Transmission is a T-5 non-WC V8 (1st 2.95, 2nd 1.94, 3rd 1.34, 4th 1.0, 5th .63). It works great but 11 inch clutch takes a lot of effort. May change to 200r4 soon. Overdrive is great on Freeway and works fine at 1000 rpm on back roads. Rear is 9 inch Ford with 4:11 gears and positraction. Weight is 3450 lbs. 1/4 mile best is 15.88 seconds and 88.9 mph. Good luck with your 48 Chevy project. Frank Hainey (radar)

I wish there was some way for you guys to post videos here with sound so we could all hear the sweet sounds these engines make.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZ2VFY91g7s
here take a ride in my 64SS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrF04EbACOA

Here a 8sec pass with Mike and Leo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re2xCHUviqo

a Bi-Run burn out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTYLp19uSYQ